2009年7月3日 12:58 Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all (19 個評論)
- Becks
- 24, 英國
Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all
Peace be with u every1 n h ru here its the answer to luke's topic
Islam, a religion of mercy, does not permit terrorism. In the Quran, God has said:
God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
The Prophet Muhammad used to prohibit soldiers from killing women and children,1 and he would advise them: {...Do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child.}2 And he also said: {Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years.}3
Also, the Prophet Muhammad has forbidden punishment with fire.4
He once listed murder as the second of the major sins,5 and he even warned that on the Day of Judgment, {The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed.6}7
Muslims are even encouraged to be kind to animals and are forbidden to hurt them. Once the Prophet Muhammad said: {A woman was punished because she imprisoned a cat until it died. On account of this, she was doomed to Hell. While she imprisoned it, she did not give the cat food or drink, nor did she free it to eat the insects of the earth.}8
He also said that a man gave a very thirsty dog a drink, so God forgave his sins for this action. The Prophet was asked, “Messenger of God, are we rewarded for kindness towards animals?” He said: {There is a reward for kindness to every living animal or human.}9
Additionally, while taking the life of an animal for food, Muslims are commanded to do so in a manner that causes the least amount of fright and suffering possible. The Prophet Muhammad said: {When you slaughter an animal, do so in the best way. One should sharpen his knife to reduce the suffering of the animal.}10
In light of these and other Islamic texts, the act of inciting terror in the hearts of defenseless civilians, the wholesale destruction of buildings and properties, the bombing and maiming of innocent men, women, and children are all forbidden and detestable acts according to Islam and the Muslims. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the vast majority have nothing to do with the violent events some have associated with Muslims. If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the laws of Islam.
Allah says in His Quran: “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.” [Surah al-Baqarah: 256]
Allah also says in Quran: “If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?” [Surah Yunus: 99]
And Allah says: “So if they dispute with you, say ‘I have submitted my whole self to Allah, and so have those who follow me.’ And say to the People of the Scripture and to the unlearned: ‘Do you also submit yourselves?’ If they do, then they are on right guidance. But if they turn away, your duty is only to convey the Message. And in Allah’s sight are all of His servants.” [Surah Al `Imran: 20]
Allah The Almighty has also said: “The Messenger’s duty is but to proclaim the Message.” [Surah Al-Maidah: 99]
It is important to note that these last two verses were revealed in Madinah. This is significant, since it shows that the ruling they gave was not just contingent on the Muslims being in Mecca in a state of weakness.
NOTE: See Footnote About JIHAD (1)
Some people might be wondering that if Islam indeed advocates such an approach, then what is all this we hear about jihad? How can we explain the warfare that the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his Companions waged against the pagans?
The answer to this is that jihad in Islamic Law can be waged for a number of reasons, but compelling people to accept Islam is simply not one of them.
The reason why jihad was first permitted in Islam was so the Muslims could defend themselves against persecution and expulsion from their homes.
Allah, Most High says: “To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged – and verily Allah is Most Powerful for their aid – (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right – (for no cause) except that they say, ‘Our Lord is Allah’. Did Allah not check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid his cause, for truly Allah is full of strength and might.” [Surah al-Hajj: 39-40]
Many of the earliest scholars mention that these were the first verses of the Quran that was revealed regarding jihad. Thereafter the following verses were revealed:
“Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors. And kill them wherever you catch them and drive them out from whence they drove you out, for terrorism is worse than killing. But do not engage in combat with them at the sacred mosque unless they engage you in combat there. But if they combat against you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And combat them on until there is no more terrorism or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. But if they cease, don't let there be hostility except to those who practice oppression.”
[Surah al-Baqarah: 190-193]
From this point on, the scope of jihad was broadened from being purely for defense against direct attack to being inclusive of resistance against those who suppress the faith and deny people the freedom to choose their religion for themselves. This came later, because it is legislated for the Muslims only when they are capable of doing so. In times of weakness, Muslims may only fight against direct attack.
As for the spread of Islam, this is supposed to take place peacefully by disseminating the Message with the written and spoken word. There is no place for the use of weapons to compel people to accept Islam. Weapons can only be drawn against those who persecute and oppress others and prevent them from following their own consciences in matters of belief. The Muslims cannot just stand by while people are being denied the right to believe in Islam and their voices are being crushed.
This is the meaning of Allah’s words: “And fight them on until there is no more terrorism or oppression and there prevails a way for justice and faith in Allah.” [Surah al-Baqarah: 193]
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said in his letter to the Roman governor Heracles: “I invite you to accept Islam. If you accept Islam, you will find safety. If you accept Islam, Allah will give you a double reward. However, if you turn away, upon you will be the sin of your subjects.” [Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim]
Once people have heard the Message without obstruction or hindrance and the proof has been established upon them, then the duty of the Muslims is done. Those who wish to believe are free to do so and those who prefer to disbelieve are likewise free to do so.
Even when the Muslims are compelled to fight and then subdue the land, their duty thereafter is to establish Allah’s law in the land and uphold justice for all people, Muslim and non-Muslim. It is not their right to coerce their subjects to accept Islam against their will. Non-Muslims under Muslim rule must be allowed to remain on their own faith and must be allowed to practice the rights of their faith, though they will be expected to respect the laws of the land.
Had the purpose of jihad been to force the unbelievers to accept Islam, the Prophet (peace be upon him) would never have commanded the Muslims to refrain from hostilities if the enemy relented. He would not have prohibited the killing of women and children. However, this is exactly what he did.
During a battle, the Prophet (peace be upon him) saw people gathered together. He dispatched a man to find out why they were gathered. The man returned and said: “They are gathered around a slain woman.” So Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said: “She should not have been attacked!” Khalid b. al-Walid was leading the forces, so he dispatched a man to him saying: “‘Tell Khalid not to kill women or laborers”. [Sunan Abu Dawud]
Note: This should not be misconstrued to indicate that the prophet, peace be upon him, made the killing of women (and children, elders, clerics and other innocents) to be haram (forbidden) at this particular point and time. In fact, it was always haram (forbidden) and the prophet, peace be upon him, was only reconfirming what was already in place by the shari'ah (Islamic Law). [Y. Estes]
Therefore, even in the heat of battle against a hostile enemy, the only people who may be attacked are those who are actually participating in the fighting.
Had the purpose of jihad been to force the unbelievers to accept Islam, the rightly guided Caliphs would not have prohibited the killing of priests and monks who refrained from fighting. However, this is exactly what they did. When the first Caliph, Abu Bakr, sent an army to Syria to fight the aggressive Roman legions, he went out to give them words of encouragement. He said: “You are going to find a group of people who have devoted themselves to the worship of Allah (i.e. monks), so leave them to what they are doing.”
We have demonstrated that it is a principle in Islam that there is no compulsion in religion and we have discussed the objectives of jihad. Now, we shall turn our attentions to some texts that are often misunderstood.
One of these is the verse: “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them and beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war). But if they repent and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them, for Allah is oft-forgiving, most merciful.” [Surah al-Tawbah: 5]
Some people – especially some contemporary non-Muslim critics of Islam – have tried to claim that this verse abrogates the verse “Let there be no compulsion in religion.” They argue that the generality of this statement implies that every unbeliever who refuses to accept Islam must be fought. They support their allegation by pointing out that this verse is one of the last verses to be revealed about fighting.
However, this verse in no way abrogates the principle in Islamic Law that there is no compulsion in religion. It may be general in wording, but its meaning is quite specific on account of other verses of the Quran that are connected with it as well as on account of a number of pertinent hadîth. We will be discussing these texts shortly.
The people being referred to by this verse are the pagan Arabs who had been waging war against the Prophet (peace be upon him) and who had broken their covenant and treaties with him. This verse is not speaking about the other pagan Arabs who did not break their treaties and take up arms against the Muslims. It is also most definitely not speaking about the Jews or Christians, or, for that matter, the pagans who were living outside of Arabia.
If we look at the verses in Surah al-Tawbah immediately before and after the one under discussion, the context of the verse becomes clear.
A few verses before the one we are discussing, Allah says: “There is a declaration of immunity from Allah and His Messenger to those of the pagans with whom you have contracted mutual alliances. Go then, for four months, to and fro throughout the land. But know that you cannot frustrate Allah that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.” [Surah al-Tawbah: 1-2]
In these verses we see that the pagans were granted a four month amnesty with an indication that when the four months were over, fighting would resume. However, a following verse exempts some of them from the resumption of hostilities. It reads: “Except for those pagans with whom you have entered into a covenant and who then do not break their covenant at all nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill your engagements with them until the end of their term, for Allah loves the righteous.” [Surah al-Tawbah: 4]
So when Allah says: “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them and beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)”, we must know that it is not general, since the verse above has qualified it to refer to the pagan Arabs who were actually at war with the Prophet (peace be upon him) and those who broke their covenants of peace.
This is further emphasized by a few verses later where Allah says: “Will you not fight people who broke their covenants and plotted to expel the Messenger and attacked you first?” [Surah al-Tawbah: 13]
Ibn al-Arabi, in his commentary on the Quran, writes: “It is clear from this that the meaning of this verse is to kill the pagans who are waging war against you.” [Ahkam al-Quran: (2/456)]
Allah also say right after the verse under discussion: “How can there be a covenant before Allah and His Messenger with the pagans except those with whom you have made a treaty near the Sacred Mosque? As long as they stand true to you, stand true to them, for Allah does love the righteous.” [Surah al-Tawbah: 7]
Another misunderstood text is the hadîth where the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “I have been commanded to fight the people until they bear witness that there is no God but Allah and that I am Allah’s Messenger. If they do so, then there blood and their wealth are inviolable except in the dispensation of justice, and their affair is with Allah.” [Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslims]
There can be no qualms about this hadîth’s authenticity, since it is recorded in both Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. However, this hadîth is also not to be taken generally, out of context, and in complete disregard to all the other textual evidence.
The term “people” here is not referring to all humanity. Ibn Taymiyah says: “It refers to fighting those who are waging war, whom Allah has permitted us to fight. It does not refer to those who have a covenant with us with whom Allah commands us to fulfill our covenant.” [Majmu al-Fatawa (19/20)]
Islam commands the Muslims to be just with people of other faiths, whether they be Jews, Christians, or pagans. Islam calls us to treat them kindly and try to win their hearts as long as they do not take up arms against us. Allah says: “Allah forbids you not with regard to those who neither fight against you for your faith nor drive you out of your homes from dealing kindly and justly with them, for Allah loves those who are just.” [Surah al-Mumtahanah: 9-10]
Allah commands Muslims to respect their non-Muslim parents and to accompany them in this world in a good manner.
The Quran commands us to argue with them in the best manner. Allah says: “Argue with the People of the Scripture in the best manner except those among them who act oppressively. Say: We believe in the revelation that has come down to us and in that which came down to you. Our God and your God is one, and it is to Him we submit ourselves as Muslims.” [Surah al-Ankabût: 46]
We are ordered to uphold our covenants with the non-Muslims and not betray them or transgress against them. The Prophet (peace be upon him) gave a stern warning to us against killing a non-Muslim with whom we are at peace. He said: “Whoever kills one with whom we have a covenant will not smell the scent of Paradise.” [Sahih Muslim]
The faith of a Muslim is not acceptable unless he believes in all of the Prophets who were sent before (peace be upon them all). Allah says: “O you who believe! Believe in Allah, His Messenger, the scripture that He revealed to His messenger and the scripture that he revealed before. Whoever disbelieves in Allah, His angels, His books, His Messengers, and the Last Day has gone far astray.” [Surah al-Nisa]
Islam, a religion of mercy, does not permit terrorism. In the Quran, God has said:
God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
The Prophet Muhammad used to prohibit soldiers from killing women and children,1 and he would advise them: {...Do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child.}2 And he also said: {Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years.}3
Also, the Prophet Muhammad has forbidden punishment with fire.4
He once listed murder as the second of the major sins,5 and he even warned that on the Day of Judgment, {The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed.6}7
Muslims are even encouraged to be kind to animals and are forbidden to hurt them. Once the Prophet Muhammad said: {A woman was punished because she imprisoned a cat until it died. On account of this, she was doomed to Hell. While she imprisoned it, she did not give the cat food or drink, nor did she free it to eat the insects of the earth.}8
He also said that a man gave a very thirsty dog a drink, so God forgave his sins for this action. The Prophet was asked, “Messenger of God, are we rewarded for kindness towards animals?” He said: {There is a reward for kindness to every living animal or human.}9
Additionally, while taking the life of an animal for food, Muslims are commanded to do so in a manner that causes the least amount of fright and suffering possible. The Prophet Muhammad said: {When you slaughter an animal, do so in the best way. One should sharpen his knife to reduce the suffering of the animal.}10
In light of these and other Islamic texts, the act of inciting terror in the hearts of defenseless civilians, the wholesale destruction of buildings and properties, the bombing and maiming of innocent men, women, and children are all forbidden and detestable acts according to Islam and the Muslims. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the vast majority have nothing to do with the violent events some have associated with Muslims. If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the laws of Islam.
Allah says in His Quran: “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.” [Surah al-Baqarah: 256]
Allah also says in Quran: “If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?” [Surah Yunus: 99]
And Allah says: “So if they dispute with you, say ‘I have submitted my whole self to Allah, and so have those who follow me.’ And say to the People of the Scripture and to the unlearned: ‘Do you also submit yourselves?’ If they do, then they are on right guidance. But if they turn away, your duty is only to convey the Message. And in Allah’s sight are all of His servants.” [Surah Al `Imran: 20]
Allah The Almighty has also said: “The Messenger’s duty is but to proclaim the Message.” [Surah Al-Maidah: 99]
It is important to note that these last two verses were revealed in Madinah. This is significant, since it shows that the ruling they gave was not just contingent on the Muslims being in Mecca in a state of weakness.
NOTE: See Footnote About JIHAD (1)
Some people might be wondering that if Islam indeed advocates such an approach, then what is all this we hear about jihad? How can we explain the warfare that the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his Companions waged against the pagans?
The answer to this is that jihad in Islamic Law can be waged for a number of reasons, but compelling people to accept Islam is simply not one of them.
The reason why jihad was first permitted in Islam was so the Muslims could defend themselves against persecution and expulsion from their homes.
Allah, Most High says: “To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged – and verily Allah is Most Powerful for their aid – (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right – (for no cause) except that they say, ‘Our Lord is Allah’. Did Allah not check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid his cause, for truly Allah is full of strength and might.” [Surah al-Hajj: 39-40]
Many of the earliest scholars mention that these were the first verses of the Quran that was revealed regarding jihad. Thereafter the following verses were revealed:
“Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors. And kill them wherever you catch them and drive them out from whence they drove you out, for terrorism is worse than killing. But do not engage in combat with them at the sacred mosque unless they engage you in combat there. But if they combat against you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And combat them on until there is no more terrorism or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. But if they cease, don't let there be hostility except to those who practice oppression.”
[Surah al-Baqarah: 190-193]
From this point on, the scope of jihad was broadened from being purely for defense against direct attack to being inclusive of resistance against those who suppress the faith and deny people the freedom to choose their religion for themselves. This came later, because it is legislated for the Muslims only when they are capable of doing so. In times of weakness, Muslims may only fight against direct attack.
As for the spread of Islam, this is supposed to take place peacefully by disseminating the Message with the written and spoken word. There is no place for the use of weapons to compel people to accept Islam. Weapons can only be drawn against those who persecute and oppress others and prevent them from following their own consciences in matters of belief. The Muslims cannot just stand by while people are being denied the right to believe in Islam and their voices are being crushed.
This is the meaning of Allah’s words: “And fight them on until there is no more terrorism or oppression and there prevails a way for justice and faith in Allah.” [Surah al-Baqarah: 193]
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said in his letter to the Roman governor Heracles: “I invite you to accept Islam. If you accept Islam, you will find safety. If you accept Islam, Allah will give you a double reward. However, if you turn away, upon you will be the sin of your subjects.” [Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim]
Once people have heard the Message without obstruction or hindrance and the proof has been established upon them, then the duty of the Muslims is done. Those who wish to believe are free to do so and those who prefer to disbelieve are likewise free to do so.
Even when the Muslims are compelled to fight and then subdue the land, their duty thereafter is to establish Allah’s law in the land and uphold justice for all people, Muslim and non-Muslim. It is not their right to coerce their subjects to accept Islam against their will. Non-Muslims under Muslim rule must be allowed to remain on their own faith and must be allowed to practice the rights of their faith, though they will be expected to respect the laws of the land.
Had the purpose of jihad been to force the unbelievers to accept Islam, the Prophet (peace be upon him) would never have commanded the Muslims to refrain from hostilities if the enemy relented. He would not have prohibited the killing of women and children. However, this is exactly what he did.
During a battle, the Prophet (peace be upon him) saw people gathered together. He dispatched a man to find out why they were gathered. The man returned and said: “They are gathered around a slain woman.” So Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said: “She should not have been attacked!” Khalid b. al-Walid was leading the forces, so he dispatched a man to him saying: “‘Tell Khalid not to kill women or laborers”. [Sunan Abu Dawud]
Note: This should not be misconstrued to indicate that the prophet, peace be upon him, made the killing of women (and children, elders, clerics and other innocents) to be haram (forbidden) at this particular point and time. In fact, it was always haram (forbidden) and the prophet, peace be upon him, was only reconfirming what was already in place by the shari'ah (Islamic Law). [Y. Estes]
Therefore, even in the heat of battle against a hostile enemy, the only people who may be attacked are those who are actually participating in the fighting.
Had the purpose of jihad been to force the unbelievers to accept Islam, the rightly guided Caliphs would not have prohibited the killing of priests and monks who refrained from fighting. However, this is exactly what they did. When the first Caliph, Abu Bakr, sent an army to Syria to fight the aggressive Roman legions, he went out to give them words of encouragement. He said: “You are going to find a group of people who have devoted themselves to the worship of Allah (i.e. monks), so leave them to what they are doing.”
We have demonstrated that it is a principle in Islam that there is no compulsion in religion and we have discussed the objectives of jihad. Now, we shall turn our attentions to some texts that are often misunderstood.
One of these is the verse: “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them and beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war). But if they repent and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them, for Allah is oft-forgiving, most merciful.” [Surah al-Tawbah: 5]
Some people – especially some contemporary non-Muslim critics of Islam – have tried to claim that this verse abrogates the verse “Let there be no compulsion in religion.” They argue that the generality of this statement implies that every unbeliever who refuses to accept Islam must be fought. They support their allegation by pointing out that this verse is one of the last verses to be revealed about fighting.
However, this verse in no way abrogates the principle in Islamic Law that there is no compulsion in religion. It may be general in wording, but its meaning is quite specific on account of other verses of the Quran that are connected with it as well as on account of a number of pertinent hadîth. We will be discussing these texts shortly.
The people being referred to by this verse are the pagan Arabs who had been waging war against the Prophet (peace be upon him) and who had broken their covenant and treaties with him. This verse is not speaking about the other pagan Arabs who did not break their treaties and take up arms against the Muslims. It is also most definitely not speaking about the Jews or Christians, or, for that matter, the pagans who were living outside of Arabia.
If we look at the verses in Surah al-Tawbah immediately before and after the one under discussion, the context of the verse becomes clear.
A few verses before the one we are discussing, Allah says: “There is a declaration of immunity from Allah and His Messenger to those of the pagans with whom you have contracted mutual alliances. Go then, for four months, to and fro throughout the land. But know that you cannot frustrate Allah that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.” [Surah al-Tawbah: 1-2]
In these verses we see that the pagans were granted a four month amnesty with an indication that when the four months were over, fighting would resume. However, a following verse exempts some of them from the resumption of hostilities. It reads: “Except for those pagans with whom you have entered into a covenant and who then do not break their covenant at all nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill your engagements with them until the end of their term, for Allah loves the righteous.” [Surah al-Tawbah: 4]
So when Allah says: “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them and beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)”, we must know that it is not general, since the verse above has qualified it to refer to the pagan Arabs who were actually at war with the Prophet (peace be upon him) and those who broke their covenants of peace.
This is further emphasized by a few verses later where Allah says: “Will you not fight people who broke their covenants and plotted to expel the Messenger and attacked you first?” [Surah al-Tawbah: 13]
Ibn al-Arabi, in his commentary on the Quran, writes: “It is clear from this that the meaning of this verse is to kill the pagans who are waging war against you.” [Ahkam al-Quran: (2/456)]
Allah also say right after the verse under discussion: “How can there be a covenant before Allah and His Messenger with the pagans except those with whom you have made a treaty near the Sacred Mosque? As long as they stand true to you, stand true to them, for Allah does love the righteous.” [Surah al-Tawbah: 7]
Another misunderstood text is the hadîth where the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “I have been commanded to fight the people until they bear witness that there is no God but Allah and that I am Allah’s Messenger. If they do so, then there blood and their wealth are inviolable except in the dispensation of justice, and their affair is with Allah.” [Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslims]
There can be no qualms about this hadîth’s authenticity, since it is recorded in both Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. However, this hadîth is also not to be taken generally, out of context, and in complete disregard to all the other textual evidence.
The term “people” here is not referring to all humanity. Ibn Taymiyah says: “It refers to fighting those who are waging war, whom Allah has permitted us to fight. It does not refer to those who have a covenant with us with whom Allah commands us to fulfill our covenant.” [Majmu al-Fatawa (19/20)]
Islam commands the Muslims to be just with people of other faiths, whether they be Jews, Christians, or pagans. Islam calls us to treat them kindly and try to win their hearts as long as they do not take up arms against us. Allah says: “Allah forbids you not with regard to those who neither fight against you for your faith nor drive you out of your homes from dealing kindly and justly with them, for Allah loves those who are just.” [Surah al-Mumtahanah: 9-10]
Allah commands Muslims to respect their non-Muslim parents and to accompany them in this world in a good manner.
The Quran commands us to argue with them in the best manner. Allah says: “Argue with the People of the Scripture in the best manner except those among them who act oppressively. Say: We believe in the revelation that has come down to us and in that which came down to you. Our God and your God is one, and it is to Him we submit ourselves as Muslims.” [Surah al-Ankabût: 46]
We are ordered to uphold our covenants with the non-Muslims and not betray them or transgress against them. The Prophet (peace be upon him) gave a stern warning to us against killing a non-Muslim with whom we are at peace. He said: “Whoever kills one with whom we have a covenant will not smell the scent of Paradise.” [Sahih Muslim]
The faith of a Muslim is not acceptable unless he believes in all of the Prophets who were sent before (peace be upon them all). Allah says: “O you who believe! Believe in Allah, His Messenger, the scripture that He revealed to His messenger and the scripture that he revealed before. Whoever disbelieves in Allah, His angels, His books, His Messengers, and the Last Day has gone far astray.” [Surah al-Nisa]
2009年7月7日 7:16Re: Re: Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all
Arpheel
21, 美國
well said james
you know i live in Islamic country and sort of the treatment that we enjoy here is a lot worst and different then our muslim friends enjoy in western countries in front of the eyes of police official churches being burned and there are a lot of poor christian suffering the death sentence for the blasphemy law and often you find that these people are illiterate and live below the poverty line and then Muslim men has great lust against christian women to factors come here one that they are only going to married them only if the convert second they don't believe that they hold the same level of respect and morality as there Muslim women do just recently a case occurred in a poor village of Pakistan that when christian men tried to marry muslim women he was only left with one choice convert or be killed
this question can be easily asked if Islam is so peaceful then why do they need to keep on telling us why do they need to do this huge Peace Marketing stunt Christianity came on with the peace that was found in the Mouth of Jesus Christ the christian never keep on hitting any place with Christianity mean peace cox "its the action that speaks louder" then words i think those days are not far when in the advertisement of every program that would be ON-Air you will be having a advertisement that Islam mean Peace haha lolx.x.
saying that prophet preach peace would be like saying Hitler was better then Gandhi jee
you know i live in Islamic country and sort of the treatment that we enjoy here is a lot worst and different then our muslim friends enjoy in western countries in front of the eyes of police official churches being burned and there are a lot of poor christian suffering the death sentence for the blasphemy law and often you find that these people are illiterate and live below the poverty line and then Muslim men has great lust against christian women to factors come here one that they are only going to married them only if the convert second they don't believe that they hold the same level of respect and morality as there Muslim women do just recently a case occurred in a poor village of Pakistan that when christian men tried to marry muslim women he was only left with one choice convert or be killed
this question can be easily asked if Islam is so peaceful then why do they need to keep on telling us why do they need to do this huge Peace Marketing stunt Christianity came on with the peace that was found in the Mouth of Jesus Christ the christian never keep on hitting any place with Christianity mean peace cox "its the action that speaks louder" then words i think those days are not far when in the advertisement of every program that would be ON-Air you will be having a advertisement that Islam mean Peace haha lolx.x.
saying that prophet preach peace would be like saying Hitler was better then Gandhi jee
2009年7月7日 11:56Re: Re: Re: Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all
Becks
24, 英國
hey again arpheel and h ru ?
well here check this video please
Christians kill Muslims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH30PNHiQzw
when the crusade was in jersualem they were killing the women and the kids and the old men
Saladin (1963) Part (1/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6LXbfZZ2JQ
so what about us troops who killed more than 1 million in iraq
and 4 miliions in vietnam
and amer troops whos rapin gal and killing her and her fam and burnin her fam too
wt about abu gharib jail and tortures for the muslims in it
The Crusade against Iraqi Muslims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTm72CB2VCs
what about bush and he said its another crusade againist muslims
what about us troops whos damagin mosques n chruchs in iraq
arpheel lets go to the israeli troops which killing more than 1450 of palestine people most of them r kids n women n old men
so i can say more to u if u wnana
but all i say here
im here to show the true image of islam
islam is peace and mercy for all
peace be with u
well here check this video please
Christians kill Muslims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH30PNHiQzw
when the crusade was in jersualem they were killing the women and the kids and the old men
Saladin (1963) Part (1/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6LXbfZZ2JQ
so what about us troops who killed more than 1 million in iraq
and 4 miliions in vietnam
and amer troops whos rapin gal and killing her and her fam and burnin her fam too
wt about abu gharib jail and tortures for the muslims in it
The Crusade against Iraqi Muslims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTm72CB2VCs
what about bush and he said its another crusade againist muslims
what about us troops whos damagin mosques n chruchs in iraq
arpheel lets go to the israeli troops which killing more than 1450 of palestine people most of them r kids n women n old men
so i can say more to u if u wnana
but all i say here
im here to show the true image of islam
islam is peace and mercy for all
peace be with u
2009年7月8日 8:39Re: Re: Re: Re: Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all
Arpheel
21, 美國
well not like you will had tried best to answer your misguided and flase claims
here is the answers
Iraqi troops
we all know today that saddam was not angel man well lets put light on some of the good work that he had done during his tenure
Between 1978-79,
Hussein helped ?eliminate? 7,000 communists in Iraq.
In 1979, Hussein ordered another purge to eliminate political
opponents. Hundreds of top ranking Ba'thists and army officers were
executed.
During the Iran-Iraq War (1980-88), 730,000 Iranians died. You will
recall that Hussein was the aggressor in this war, because he wanted
full control of the Arvand/Shatt al-Arab waterway at the head of the
Persian Gulf. (For more information on the war, see ?Iran-Iraq War,?
at Encyclopedia.com: http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/i/irani1raq.asp
) Approximately 1,000 Kuwaiti nationals were killed in the Iraqi
invasion of Kuwait. It?s estimated there were 1,500,000 refugees from
this war, displaced by Iraq?s occupation of Kuwait. 750,000 ?endured
brutalities, oppression, and torture.? Although the date for the end
of the war is usually given as 1988, the struggle continued, and
500,000 Iranians were late killed (the Iranians say it was closer to 1
million), 100,000 by Hussein?s chemical weapons. In one day, 5,000
men, women, and children were gassed. (?Sadaam?s Other Crime,? In The
National Interest: http://www.inthenationalinterest.com/Articles/Vol3Issue29/Vol3Issue29Askari.html
and ?Charges Facing Saddam Hussein,? BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3320293.stm )
Between 1987-1988, 180,000 Kurds ?disappeared,? and 4,000 villages
were razed, in an effort at ?ethnic cleansing.?
In 1983, Hussein killed of 8,000 members of the Barzani clan. Also in
1983, Hussein arrested 90 members of Al Hakim family and executed 16
of them.
Between 1988 and 1999, Hussein killed 7,000 prisoners in what was
called ?prison cleansing.? (?NoBody Count,?
http://www.blogoram.com/000184.php )
n the 1990s, Hussein killed 40,000 Shia?s (or Shiite Muslims) for
their religious uprisings; among those who became prisoners,
approximately 2,000 were executed on November 1993 alone. (?Death
Tolls,? http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat5.htm#Iraq For more on
Shia?s, see ?Shiites,? http://mb-soft.com/believe/txo/shiites.htm ) As
further evidence that the Gulf War did not play a role in Shia deaths,
in 1980, before war with Iran, Hussein hanged two leading Shia
figures. (?Radical Shias Worry Bush as well as Sadaam,? Daily Times:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_13-10-2002_pg4_7 )
Since 1974, at least hundreds of Shia leaders have been arrested.
I leave you to draw your own conclusions. Would fewer people have been
killed if the U.S. had not participated in the Gulf War? Or would
Hussein have continued to kill, even without U.S. intervension?
For a look at the usual figures we hear about Hussein, see ?Killer
File:? http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein-comment.html
well it just little light on his act during his time but these cross over the number that you mention for US tropps killing there
i never understand whats problem do they have in my Article written just after the Iraq war started i argued that no one in the Muslim world complained when Saddam was having this massive genocide no Muslim got any pain at that time but just today when US decided to set this dirt off from Iraq they are having problems and complains well brother this is just hypocrisy and double standard now lets come to US invasion of Iraq the number that you gave 1 million is not accurate remember when this war started US was almost to win the war put due getting Al-Qeeda involvement this took to the massive civilian killing it was not US who was raiding in Civilian colony's it was Al-Qeeda who was doing suicide bombing and bringing civilian causalities but same like above as i said you will not find any Muslim to opposing Al-Qeeda but they do have problem with US wat a hypocrisy ?
lets see Islamic Terrorism
today its a clear estimate that we never occured such a massive killing to humanity then we had by Islam
Number of 9/11 Deaths
At least 2,985 people died in the September 11th attacks, including:
* 19 terrorists
* 2,966 victims [2,998 as of Spring 2009]
All but 13 people died on that day. The remaining 13 later died of their wounds. One person has died since the attacks, of lung cancer. It is suspected to have been caused by all the debris from the Twin Towers.
There were 266 [264?] people on the four planes:
* American Airlines Flight 11 (crashed into the WTC): 92 (including five terrorists)
* United Airlines Flight 175 (crashed into the WTC): 65 (including five terrorists)
* American Airlines Flight 77 (crashed into the Pentagon): 64 (including five terrorists)
* United Flight 93 (downed in Shanksville, PA): 45 (including four terrorists)
There were 2,595 people in the World Trade Center and near it, including:
* 343 NYFD firefighters and paramedics
* 23 NYPD police officers
* 37 Port Authority police officers
* 1,402 people in Tower 1
* 614 people in Tower 2
* 658 people at one company, Cantor Fitzgerald
* 1,762 New York residents
* 674 New Jersey residents
* 1 NYFD firefighter killed by a man jumping off the top floors of the twin towers
There were 125 civilians and military personnel at the Pentagon.
1,609 people lost a spouse or partner on 9/11. More than 3,051 children lost parents.
While there were mostly Americans killed in this horrific attack one must mention who the non survivors were from other countries:
327 foreign nationals also perished.
Europe
Major lethal attacks on civilians in Europe credited to Islamic terrorism include the 11 March 2004 bombings of commuter trains in Madrid, where 191 people were killed and 2,050 wounded, and the 7 July 2005 London bombings, also of public transport, which killed 52 commuters and injured 700. According to EU Terrorism Report there were almost 500 acts of terrorism across the European Union in 2006, but only one, the foiled suitcase bomb plot in Germany, was related to Islamist terror.[65]
Kidnappings and executions
Along with bombings and hijackings, Islamic terrorists have made extensive use of highly-publicised kidnappings and executions, often circulating videos of the acts for use as propaganda. Notable foreign victims include Nick Berg, Daniel Pearl, Paul Marshall Johnson, Jr., Eugene Armstrong, Jack Hensley, Kim Sun-il, Kenneth Bigley, Shosei Koda, Fabrizio Quattrocchi, Margaret Hassan. One Iraqi victim was Seif Adnan Kanaan. The most frequent form of execution by these groups has been decapitation. While some targets are military, or seen as supporting the anti-Islamist forces, victims are also as varied as the Red Cross,[110] the Iraqi education ministry,[111] and diplomats.[112]
* 4 September 1972 - Munich Olympic Massacre.
* 26 February 1993 - World Trade Center bombing, New York City. 6 killed.
* 13 March 1993 - 1993 Bombay bombings. Mumbai, India. The single-day attacks resulted in over 250 civilian fatalities and 700 injuries.
* 24 December 1994 - Air France Flight 8969 hijacking in Algiers by 3 members of Armed Islamic Group of Algeria and another terrorist. 7 killed including 4 hijackers.
* 25 June 1996 - Khobar Towers bombing, 20 killed, 372 wounded.
* 14 February 1998. The 1998 Coimbatore bombings occurred in the city of Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu, India. 46 people were killed and over 200 were injured in 13 bomb attacks within a 12 km radius.
* 7 August 1998 - 1998 United States embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. 224 dead. 4000+ injured.
* 11 September 2001 - 4 planes hijacked and crashed into World Trade Center and The Pentagon by 19 hijackers. Nearly 3000 dead.[125]
* 13 December 2001 - Suicide attack on India's parliament in New Delhi. Aimed at eliminating the top leadership of India and causing anarchy in the country. Allegedly done by Pakistan-based Islamist terrorist organizations, Jaish-E-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Toiba.
* 3 March 2002 - Suicide bomb attack on a Passover Seder in a Hotel in Netanya, Israel. 29 dead, 133 injured
* 9 March 2002 - Café suicide bombing in Jerusalem; 11 killed, 54 injured.
* 7 May 2002 - Bombing in al-Arbaa, Algeria. 49 dead, 117 injured.
* 24 September 2002 - Machine Gun attack on Hindu temple in Ahmedabad, India. 31 dead, 86 injured.[126][127]
* 12 October 2002 - Bombing in Bali nightclub. 202 killed, 300 injured.[128]
* 16 May 2004 - Casablanca Attacks - 4 simultaneous attacks in Casablanca killing 33 civilians (mostly Moroccans) carried by Salafaia Jihadia.
* 11 March 2004 - Multiple bombings on trains near Madrid, Spain. 191 killed, 1460 injured. (alleged link to Al-Qaeda)
* 3 September 2004 Approximately 344 civilians including 186 children, are killed during the Beslan school hostage crisis.[129][130]
* 2 November 2004 - Ritual murder of Theo van Gogh (film director) by Amsterdam-born jihadist Mohammed Bouyeri.
* 4 February 2005 - Muslim militants attacked the Christian community in Demsa, Nigeria, killing 36 people, destroying property and displacing an additional 3000 people.
* 7 July 2005 - Multiple bombings in London Underground. 53 killed by four suicide bombers. Nearly 700 injured.
* 23 July 2005 - Bomb attacks at Sharm el-Sheikh, an Egyptian resort city, at least 64 people killed.
* 29 October 2005 - 29 October 2005 Delhi bombings. Over 60 killed and over 180 injured in a series of three attacks in crowded markets and a bus, just 2 days before the Diwali festival.[131]
* 9 November 2005 - 2005 Amman bombings. Over 60 killed and 115 injured, in a series of coordinated suicide attacks on hotels in Amman, Jordan.[132][133] Four attackers including a husband and wife team were involved.[134]
* 7 March 2006 - 2006 Varanasi bombings. An attack attributed to Lashkar-e-Taiba by Uttar Pradesh government officials, over 28 killed and over 100 injured, in a series of attacks in the Sankath Mochan Hanuman temple and Cantonment Railway Station in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi.[135] Uttar Pradesh government officials.
* 11 July 2006. Mumbai, India. 11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings were a series of seven bomb blasts that took place over a period of 11 minutes on the Suburban Railway in Mumbai (formerly known as Bombay). 209 people lost their lives and over 700 were injured in the attacks.
* 26 July 2008. Ahmedabad, India. Islamic militants detonate at least 16 explosive devices in the heart of this industrial capital, leaving at least 49 dead and 160 injured. A Muslim group calling itself the Indian Mujahideen claims responsibility. Indian authorities believe that extremists with ties to Pakistan and/or Bangladesh are likely responsible and are intent on inciting communal violence[136]. Investigation by Indian police led to the eventual arrest of a number of militants suspected of carrying out the blasts, most of whom belong to a well-known terrorist group, The Students Islamic Movement of India[137].
* 26 November 2008. Mumbai, India. Muslim extremists kill at least 174 people and wound numerous others in a series of coordinated attacks on India's largest city and financial capital. A group calling itself the Deccan Mujaheddin claims responsibility, however, the government of India suspects Islamic militants based in Pakistan are responsible. Ajmal Kasab, one of the militants, was caught alive.[138][139]
there is un conservative estimate that Islam as religion occurred sort of massive killing exclude any other regime in its comparison Roman Greeks Jews no one was left in front of them
here is the answers
Iraqi troops
we all know today that saddam was not angel man well lets put light on some of the good work that he had done during his tenure
Between 1978-79,
Hussein helped ?eliminate? 7,000 communists in Iraq.
In 1979, Hussein ordered another purge to eliminate political
opponents. Hundreds of top ranking Ba'thists and army officers were
executed.
During the Iran-Iraq War (1980-88), 730,000 Iranians died. You will
recall that Hussein was the aggressor in this war, because he wanted
full control of the Arvand/Shatt al-Arab waterway at the head of the
Persian Gulf. (For more information on the war, see ?Iran-Iraq War,?
at Encyclopedia.com: http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/i/irani1raq.asp
) Approximately 1,000 Kuwaiti nationals were killed in the Iraqi
invasion of Kuwait. It?s estimated there were 1,500,000 refugees from
this war, displaced by Iraq?s occupation of Kuwait. 750,000 ?endured
brutalities, oppression, and torture.? Although the date for the end
of the war is usually given as 1988, the struggle continued, and
500,000 Iranians were late killed (the Iranians say it was closer to 1
million), 100,000 by Hussein?s chemical weapons. In one day, 5,000
men, women, and children were gassed. (?Sadaam?s Other Crime,? In The
National Interest: http://www.inthenationalinterest.com/Articles/Vol3Issue29/Vol3Issue29Askari.html
and ?Charges Facing Saddam Hussein,? BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3320293.stm )
Between 1987-1988, 180,000 Kurds ?disappeared,? and 4,000 villages
were razed, in an effort at ?ethnic cleansing.?
In 1983, Hussein killed of 8,000 members of the Barzani clan. Also in
1983, Hussein arrested 90 members of Al Hakim family and executed 16
of them.
Between 1988 and 1999, Hussein killed 7,000 prisoners in what was
called ?prison cleansing.? (?NoBody Count,?
http://www.blogoram.com/000184.php )
n the 1990s, Hussein killed 40,000 Shia?s (or Shiite Muslims) for
their religious uprisings; among those who became prisoners,
approximately 2,000 were executed on November 1993 alone. (?Death
Tolls,? http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat5.htm#Iraq For more on
Shia?s, see ?Shiites,? http://mb-soft.com/believe/txo/shiites.htm ) As
further evidence that the Gulf War did not play a role in Shia deaths,
in 1980, before war with Iran, Hussein hanged two leading Shia
figures. (?Radical Shias Worry Bush as well as Sadaam,? Daily Times:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_13-10-2002_pg4_7 )
Since 1974, at least hundreds of Shia leaders have been arrested.
I leave you to draw your own conclusions. Would fewer people have been
killed if the U.S. had not participated in the Gulf War? Or would
Hussein have continued to kill, even without U.S. intervension?
For a look at the usual figures we hear about Hussein, see ?Killer
File:? http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein-comment.html
well it just little light on his act during his time but these cross over the number that you mention for US tropps killing there
i never understand whats problem do they have in my Article written just after the Iraq war started i argued that no one in the Muslim world complained when Saddam was having this massive genocide no Muslim got any pain at that time but just today when US decided to set this dirt off from Iraq they are having problems and complains well brother this is just hypocrisy and double standard now lets come to US invasion of Iraq the number that you gave 1 million is not accurate remember when this war started US was almost to win the war put due getting Al-Qeeda involvement this took to the massive civilian killing it was not US who was raiding in Civilian colony's it was Al-Qeeda who was doing suicide bombing and bringing civilian causalities but same like above as i said you will not find any Muslim to opposing Al-Qeeda but they do have problem with US wat a hypocrisy ?
lets see Islamic Terrorism
today its a clear estimate that we never occured such a massive killing to humanity then we had by Islam
Number of 9/11 Deaths
At least 2,985 people died in the September 11th attacks, including:
* 19 terrorists
* 2,966 victims [2,998 as of Spring 2009]
All but 13 people died on that day. The remaining 13 later died of their wounds. One person has died since the attacks, of lung cancer. It is suspected to have been caused by all the debris from the Twin Towers.
There were 266 [264?] people on the four planes:
* American Airlines Flight 11 (crashed into the WTC): 92 (including five terrorists)
* United Airlines Flight 175 (crashed into the WTC): 65 (including five terrorists)
* American Airlines Flight 77 (crashed into the Pentagon): 64 (including five terrorists)
* United Flight 93 (downed in Shanksville, PA): 45 (including four terrorists)
There were 2,595 people in the World Trade Center and near it, including:
* 343 NYFD firefighters and paramedics
* 23 NYPD police officers
* 37 Port Authority police officers
* 1,402 people in Tower 1
* 614 people in Tower 2
* 658 people at one company, Cantor Fitzgerald
* 1,762 New York residents
* 674 New Jersey residents
* 1 NYFD firefighter killed by a man jumping off the top floors of the twin towers
There were 125 civilians and military personnel at the Pentagon.
1,609 people lost a spouse or partner on 9/11. More than 3,051 children lost parents.
While there were mostly Americans killed in this horrific attack one must mention who the non survivors were from other countries:
327 foreign nationals also perished.
Europe
Major lethal attacks on civilians in Europe credited to Islamic terrorism include the 11 March 2004 bombings of commuter trains in Madrid, where 191 people were killed and 2,050 wounded, and the 7 July 2005 London bombings, also of public transport, which killed 52 commuters and injured 700. According to EU Terrorism Report there were almost 500 acts of terrorism across the European Union in 2006, but only one, the foiled suitcase bomb plot in Germany, was related to Islamist terror.[65]
Kidnappings and executions
Along with bombings and hijackings, Islamic terrorists have made extensive use of highly-publicised kidnappings and executions, often circulating videos of the acts for use as propaganda. Notable foreign victims include Nick Berg, Daniel Pearl, Paul Marshall Johnson, Jr., Eugene Armstrong, Jack Hensley, Kim Sun-il, Kenneth Bigley, Shosei Koda, Fabrizio Quattrocchi, Margaret Hassan. One Iraqi victim was Seif Adnan Kanaan. The most frequent form of execution by these groups has been decapitation. While some targets are military, or seen as supporting the anti-Islamist forces, victims are also as varied as the Red Cross,[110] the Iraqi education ministry,[111] and diplomats.[112]
* 4 September 1972 - Munich Olympic Massacre.
* 26 February 1993 - World Trade Center bombing, New York City. 6 killed.
* 13 March 1993 - 1993 Bombay bombings. Mumbai, India. The single-day attacks resulted in over 250 civilian fatalities and 700 injuries.
* 24 December 1994 - Air France Flight 8969 hijacking in Algiers by 3 members of Armed Islamic Group of Algeria and another terrorist. 7 killed including 4 hijackers.
* 25 June 1996 - Khobar Towers bombing, 20 killed, 372 wounded.
* 14 February 1998. The 1998 Coimbatore bombings occurred in the city of Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu, India. 46 people were killed and over 200 were injured in 13 bomb attacks within a 12 km radius.
* 7 August 1998 - 1998 United States embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. 224 dead. 4000+ injured.
* 11 September 2001 - 4 planes hijacked and crashed into World Trade Center and The Pentagon by 19 hijackers. Nearly 3000 dead.[125]
* 13 December 2001 - Suicide attack on India's parliament in New Delhi. Aimed at eliminating the top leadership of India and causing anarchy in the country. Allegedly done by Pakistan-based Islamist terrorist organizations, Jaish-E-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Toiba.
* 3 March 2002 - Suicide bomb attack on a Passover Seder in a Hotel in Netanya, Israel. 29 dead, 133 injured
* 9 March 2002 - Café suicide bombing in Jerusalem; 11 killed, 54 injured.
* 7 May 2002 - Bombing in al-Arbaa, Algeria. 49 dead, 117 injured.
* 24 September 2002 - Machine Gun attack on Hindu temple in Ahmedabad, India. 31 dead, 86 injured.[126][127]
* 12 October 2002 - Bombing in Bali nightclub. 202 killed, 300 injured.[128]
* 16 May 2004 - Casablanca Attacks - 4 simultaneous attacks in Casablanca killing 33 civilians (mostly Moroccans) carried by Salafaia Jihadia.
* 11 March 2004 - Multiple bombings on trains near Madrid, Spain. 191 killed, 1460 injured. (alleged link to Al-Qaeda)
* 3 September 2004 Approximately 344 civilians including 186 children, are killed during the Beslan school hostage crisis.[129][130]
* 2 November 2004 - Ritual murder of Theo van Gogh (film director) by Amsterdam-born jihadist Mohammed Bouyeri.
* 4 February 2005 - Muslim militants attacked the Christian community in Demsa, Nigeria, killing 36 people, destroying property and displacing an additional 3000 people.
* 7 July 2005 - Multiple bombings in London Underground. 53 killed by four suicide bombers. Nearly 700 injured.
* 23 July 2005 - Bomb attacks at Sharm el-Sheikh, an Egyptian resort city, at least 64 people killed.
* 29 October 2005 - 29 October 2005 Delhi bombings. Over 60 killed and over 180 injured in a series of three attacks in crowded markets and a bus, just 2 days before the Diwali festival.[131]
* 9 November 2005 - 2005 Amman bombings. Over 60 killed and 115 injured, in a series of coordinated suicide attacks on hotels in Amman, Jordan.[132][133] Four attackers including a husband and wife team were involved.[134]
* 7 March 2006 - 2006 Varanasi bombings. An attack attributed to Lashkar-e-Taiba by Uttar Pradesh government officials, over 28 killed and over 100 injured, in a series of attacks in the Sankath Mochan Hanuman temple and Cantonment Railway Station in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi.[135] Uttar Pradesh government officials.
* 11 July 2006. Mumbai, India. 11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings were a series of seven bomb blasts that took place over a period of 11 minutes on the Suburban Railway in Mumbai (formerly known as Bombay). 209 people lost their lives and over 700 were injured in the attacks.
* 26 July 2008. Ahmedabad, India. Islamic militants detonate at least 16 explosive devices in the heart of this industrial capital, leaving at least 49 dead and 160 injured. A Muslim group calling itself the Indian Mujahideen claims responsibility. Indian authorities believe that extremists with ties to Pakistan and/or Bangladesh are likely responsible and are intent on inciting communal violence[136]. Investigation by Indian police led to the eventual arrest of a number of militants suspected of carrying out the blasts, most of whom belong to a well-known terrorist group, The Students Islamic Movement of India[137].
* 26 November 2008. Mumbai, India. Muslim extremists kill at least 174 people and wound numerous others in a series of coordinated attacks on India's largest city and financial capital. A group calling itself the Deccan Mujaheddin claims responsibility, however, the government of India suspects Islamic militants based in Pakistan are responsible. Ajmal Kasab, one of the militants, was caught alive.[138][139]
there is un conservative estimate that Islam as religion occurred sort of massive killing exclude any other regime in its comparison Roman Greeks Jews no one was left in front of them
2009年7月8日 11:18Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all
Becks
24, 英國
hey arpheel and what about nuclear bomb on heroshima japan and killing lots of thounds n casuin for them lots of diseased who made the nuclear bomb who made it
and if they wnanna sadam hussian they can put him in the jail or arrest him nt go to iraq bc of iraqi oil by the way did u know pres bush get oil companies and war for oil its so clear
US War Crimes Against Iraq, Arabs and Peoples of the World: Irrefutable Facts
Permanent Mission of Iraq to the United Nations, New York 11jun00
* Contents
* Introduction
* Your words are self-condemning
* First: Three US criminal acts
* The world talks about the US crimes against Iraq
o The New Yorker’ magazine article by Seymour Hersh
o The investigation by the US AP agency, revealing a US massacre against Iraqi POWs
* Second: Dropped on Iraq an equal to 7 atomic bombs
* Third the war of genocide against the Iraqi people
* Irrefutable Facts
* US War Crimes
Introduction:
The USA has long ago, including during the First and Second World Wars and other regional wars, perpetrated a series of war crimes against peoples and nations, including notably, the people of Iraq who has been subjected to the most horrendous premeditated act of murder. To willfully sustain an organized genocide against this people, it has employed internationally prohibited criminal means such as the use of depleted uranium (DU) shells and chemical weapons; killing of POWs and burying some living persons in ditches; as well as other hostile methods like sabotage of agriculture, contamination of environment and devastation of power centers in Iraq, the Arab Nation and the world at large.
The US acts of aggression against the people of Iraq are a war crime as they flagrantly violate Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 which define the war crime as one of the following actions:
B-1: deliberate attacks against civilian population, in this very capacity, or against civilians not participating directly in military actions.
6: killing or injuring a combatant who has voluntarily surrendered, by laying down his weapon or when he no longer has a means of defense.
20: the use of weapons, shells, war material or means causing, ipso facto, unnecessary damages or pains, or of an indiscriminate nature contravening international law on armed conflicts.
C: In case of a non-international armed conflict, the gross violations of Article 3 shared by the four Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949: any act committed against persons not actively engaged in actions, including those from the armed forces who have laid down their weapons and who have become unable to fight because of illness, injury, detention or any other reason.
This documented bulletin deals with the observation and presentation of events involving murders and genocide perpetrated by the US and its allies’ forces in the war against Iraq, and after cease fire, against the Arab Nation and peoples of the world. It includes supporting official statements, testimonies of witnesses and revelations of official documented reports and studies.
It is a bulletin seeking objectivity in presenting events as firsthand documented. It is an outcry against the murder and a disclosure of the reality of those criminals who claim liberty, justice, democracy and respect for human rights.
Your Words are Self-Condemning
First- Three criminal US acts against Iraq
Mr. Seymour M. Hersh wrote in The New Yorker magazine on 22 May 2000 an article focusing on 3 criminal acts perpetrated by the US forces during the so-called Gulf War in Iraq. These are:
Battle of Rumailah, 2 March 1991; the events of 27 February and 1 March in which American soldiers fired upon Iraqis posing no threat to them, persons who had already surrendered on 27 February. Investigation into these three events was conducted by US army investigators, after crimes, which US officials tried to suppress their consequences, had smelled. However, Hersh insisted on making interviews with more than 200 American former and still on-duty officers and men, including the army investigators, which took him six months. He, later, came to clarifying a disturbing image, as reflected by editor David Reimnick in his comments on Hersh’s article:
1- The Incident of 2 March 1991
Two days after President Bush’s declaration of cease fire, the 24th division, led by General Barry McCaffrey, who is now in charge of the White House Office of National Drug Control, opened fire at Iraqis posing no threat to them.
The division commander alleged that his troops had been attacked by a retreating Iraqi Republican Guard division. But his allegations were disputed by the officers assigned to McCaffrey’s mobile headquarters on how significant and strong the Iraqi attack was. However, McCaffrey ordered a "comprehensive offensive" that destroyed some 700 tanks, armored vehicles and carriers, in spite of the cease fire!
Hersh says,
"Many of the Generals interviewed for this account believe that McCaffrey’s attack went too far, and violated one of the most fundamental doctrines: that a commander must respond in proportion t o the threat…"
He adds,
" McCaffrey’s accounts were disputed by soldiers and officers who were at the scene on March 2nd . His offensive was not so much a counterattack provoked by enemy fire as a systematic destruction of Iraqis who were generally fulfilling the requirements of retreat…"
Among McCaffery’s harshest critics his fellow Army Generals. Lieutenant General James H. Johnson (retired) who commanded the 82nd Airborne Division during the war said: "There was no need to be shooting at anybody. They couldn’t surrender fast enough. The war was over."
Lieutenant General Roland Griffith, who commanded the 1st Armored Division of VII Corps, said of McCaffrey "He made it a battle when it was never one…"
Two days after the cease-fire, McCaffrey had moved his forces toward the access road used by the retreating Iraqis without informing all the senior officers who needed to know- inside his own division operations center at XVIII Corps, and at Third Army headquarters. A scout unit reported to McCaffrey’s command post that it was being fired upon by the retreating Iraqis; so he decided to launch a wide-scale offensive without listening to subordinates who questioned him about the nature of the Iraqi threat and the appropriate response to it.
Patrick Lamar, the operations officer, says, "I know that for a fact". He described the battle as "against hoax". The Iraqis were doing absolutely nothing. I told McCaffrey I was having trouble confirming the incoming…"
According to many volunteers with whom Hersh talked and who were at the scene, "nothing suggests there is an Iraqi attack in the morning of March 2nd ".
James Manchester, a scout who operated in advance of the main force recalled, "thinking that everything is over. These guys are going home. It is just a line of vehicles on the road ".
Edward R. Walker, another scout, says, "Many Iraqi tanks were mounted on flatbed trucks, with their turrets turned backward…"
2- The Incident of 27 February 1991
Lieutenant General (James Testerman) said:
"In the afternoon of February 37th, namely one day before the cease fire , James Manchester and other scouts were providing a road bunker, in front of the major forces of Lieutenant Colonel Ware’s battalion, with soldiers. The operation was proceeding routinely, the Lieutenant Colonel recalled. "A Buick" comes up, with the commander, who had surrendered his battalion to us. Vehicles kept arriving , including an Iraqi hospital bus, as reported by the specialist, Edward Walker, who was ordered to keep a head count. There were 382 Iraqi prisoners, all stripped of weapons and lined up in rows, he recalled. One of the soldiers, who had lost an eye, asked if he was now a prisoner. He was told yes. "Thank Allah", the man said. Each one of these Iraqi soldiers was given (a white piece of paper), because they didn’t have anything white.
Lieutenant General James Testerman said:
"Lieutenant Allen, who was responsible for the scout platoon, made it a point to keep the battalion headquarters in the loop. Allen told the battalion center that he had captured a large number of prisoners, he also reported the precise position of the surrendered Iraqi hospital bus".
According to Walker, Ware’s headquarters were ordered to blow up the confiscated weapons, and Ware was chosen for this task, then a scout platoon was ordered to move. While they were driving their vehicles the explosion occurred. At that moment, Walker said, a battalion of Bradleys came into view and began rolling toward the prisoners, then the Bradley’s machine guns opened up.
Another scout, Sergeant Steve L. Mulig, said: "I saw rounds impact in front of the vehicle and I could tell that they were hitting close to the prisoners, because there were people running. There were some who could have survived, but a lot of them wouldn’t have, from were I saw the rounds hit".
He added, Sergeant Steven Larimore, who was in charge of a G.S.R team, was ordered to work with scouts from the 3-7 Battalion affiliated with McCaffrey’s command. Some army troops had discovered a cache of Iraqi weapons at a deserted schoolhouse on March 1st late afternoon. The radar team joined the 3-7 scouts in clearing the village and searching the schoolhouse. The weapons were covered with a waxed paper and protective grease. After taking souvenirs, Larimore told me , he and his men moved to the east, still accompanied by the scouts. Larimore and his men noticed a group of villagers walking in the area. One guy had a white bed sheet on a stick, but unwarrantedly, some guy from where we’re sitting in the scout platoon "begins shooting" into the villagers. Other machine guns joined in. We were screaming, ‘Cease fire!!’ The firing went on. Larimore estimated that he saw fifteen, and perhaps twenty Iraqis fall. He had never been in a firefight before, he said, and he was stunned by the noise and the carnage.
A second eyewitness, Sergeant Wayne R. Irwin, who was in charge of another G.S.R team and who was in the area, said that the Iraqis were "just passing through" the area when the scouts suddenly began firing their machine guns. "I yelled for them to cease fire", he said. "I couldn’t understand why they were firing". Of the Iraqis, he said, "To me, they posed no threat to us. They were all in civilian clothes".
Brasfield recorded what the scouts had been sending on the radio, while the Bradleys were shooting into Iraqis POWs, on a recorder tape he had brought with him. He heard one man saying:
"The advanced company, which is behind us, is tearing those vehicles into pieces. Another one was asking, "There is somebody firing at them. What pushes them to open fire?"
Then Lieutenant Colonel Allen reported to Ware saying:
"There is a fire, but there is no body there to open fire upon".
Ware replied, saying: I understand that.
Brasfield says in the recorder tape:
" They want to surrender. s**t on the armored vehicles. They shouldn’t have blown them up, it is a murder crime. We opened fire on the guys, whom we had gathered… they didn’t have any weapons.
3-The incident of 1 March 1991
Hersh says:
"One day after the cease fire another incident occurred, in which American soldiers were charged with opening fire on defenseless Iraqis".
The scouts explained to Irwin that the Iraqis were carrying launchers, grenade and stuff like that. But Irwin says, "that he didn’t find that account credible, and the Iraqis had nothing"!
Lieutenant Grisillo, the leader of the scouts platoon who opened fire, says:
"Larimore, whom I collided with at that time, had failed to realize that his men were responding to a threat. They raised a white flag, Grisillo recalled, but they were not carrying weapons".
In August 1991, Colonel Ernest H. Dinkel, who was then a Deputy Chief of Staff for the Criminal Investigation Division, was chosen to investigate charges contained in an anonymous letter that had been mailed to the Army Inspector General. It appeared to have been written by an officer serving in one of McCaffrey’s 24th Division command posts.
Dinkel says: "That’s what scared everybody. This was from someone who was there. The letter alleged that McCaffrey was guilty of a "war crime" in his march 2nd assault on the retreating Iraqis, and had urged his brigade commanders "to find a way for him to go and kill all the bastards".
The letter also claimed that 24th Division soldiers had "slaughtered Iraqi prisoners of war after seizing an airfield".
Hersh says: "Colonel Dinkel and his crew spent several weeks conducting interviews with more than 150 men and women, including McCaffrey and his aides, and collecting data on the anonymous letter, at Fort Stewart and at Army bases across America, but they never focused on the shootings of February 27th and 1st March 1991."
General Peter Barry, the commander of the Army’s Criminal Investigation Division, explained: "While the investigation had been closed, the senior Army commanders realized that there was a specific element of reality in what was contained in the anonymous letter, which explains that its writer, whoever he may be, has a detailed information, but to confirm a criminal act is a difficult matter".
Concerning March 1st 1991, shortly after returning from Iraq, Sergeant Larimore gathered six of his colleagues from the Ground Surveillance Radar teams of the 124th Military Intelligence Battalion, and walked into the Fort Stewart branch of the Army’s Criminal Investigation Division office and met with two investigators. These men described what they had seen on March 1st, when Iraqis in civilian clothes had been shot near a schoolhouse while holding a white flag.
All six of us went and told what we knew, Larimore said. The basic tenet was that we didn’t see anybody shooting at us before the 1st Brigade platoon opened fire.
U.S. Soldiers Say Fellow Troops Fired on Helpless Iraqis
Three days into the massive Gulf War ground on Iraq, a platoon of scouts was patrolling ahead of the U.S. Army’s main forces, looking for signs of enemy troops.
It was Feb. 27,1991, and the platoon was ordered to set up a roadblock on Highway 8 near the Jalibah airfield in Iraq,80 miles west of the city of Basrah. The operation seemed routine, the scouts told ABCNEWS, until an Iraqi soldier emerged from a nearby bunker. He wanted to surrender, according to scouts who spoke to ABCNEWS. Soon, other Iraqi soldiers followed, also trying to surrender, the scouts said.
It kept escalating," says one of the American soldiers, Edward Walker. "I mean, it just—vehicles kept coming and more vehicles, then more people."
The scouts were part of the 2—7 Battalion of the 1st Brigade, and they had orders to check areas ahead of the main forces and to be on the lookout for enemy troops. Walker and three others of the six former scouts interviewed by ABCNEWS have since left the army
Their missions were potentially dangerous. But on that day in February 1991, as Iraqi troops began to surrender, the scouts said they met no resistance as they began to confiscate the Iraqis weapons. They kept the Iraqi prisoners of war seated together along the roadside. About 200-300 Iraqis had arrived in a dozen vehicles.
At all times, the scouts said, they kept their commander informed. James Manchester, who now works for a technology company, tells ABCNEWS the scouts made it clear through radio communications that the Iraqi soldiers had surrendered and had given up their weapons. "We gave update as to every situation as it occurred," Manchester says.
Hours later, the scouts platoon was ordered to move on to another mission, but several stayed behind to destroy the prisoners weapons. The situation that seemed under control, the scouts say, quickly deteriorated when about 14 Bradley fighting vehicles from the scouts battalion appeared on the scene.
"That when I saw some of the turrets on the Bradleys traverse," says David Collatt, a scout from Arkansas.
And then, all of a sudden, their fellow soldiers started shouting, Collatt says.
According to the scouts, the Bradleys began firing in the area of the abandoned Iraqi vehicles and unarmed prisoners. Six scouts interviewed by ABCNEWS say they saw it happen. Walker, who now lives in Missouri says he still has troubles dealing with his experiences in the Gulf War, and Collatt say they were about 200 yards away, "I seen the rounds impacting into the bank."
Collatt says, "Dirt kicking up and people jumping up and running."
Walker says the scouts tried to get the Bradleys to cease fire. "We’re screaming at them. ‘Tell them to stop, tell them to stop!’"
The Bradley rounds were falling dangerously close to the scouts’ Humvees as they sped away, they say.
The soldier say they did not see whether any of the prisoners were wounded or killed.
Given the firepower of a Bradley, several scouts are convinced it would have been impossible for everyone to emerge unscathed.
"It’d be a miracle if no one got killed, injured or mamed from what happened" ,Collatt says.
Prompted by a compliant from one of the scouts who said he had witnessed a war crime, the Army launched an internal investigation. Col. John LeMoyne, commander of 1st Brigade, oversaw the investigation. The 1st Brigade was part of 24th Infantry Division, which was under the command of Gen. Barry McCaffrey, who is now the director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, the so-called drug czar.
"Nobody was killed", LeMoyne says, "None, zero, Soldiers, the Iraqi soldiers were never shot at, ever, at that point … none of us—hundred and hundreds of us—ever saw a body. None of us."
But ABCNEWS reviewed the investigation and found it to be flawed and incomplete.
The Army failed to interview the aide whom LeMoyne told investigators he immediately sent to the area. It also failed to interview many of the scouts.
And, ABCNEWS has learned, the Army did not interview many of the Bradley crews. While the Army did conclude there was firing by the Bradley, it failed to establish which Bradleys were firing.
The Bradley crew members who did submit statements denied any knowledge of the incident and denied shooting at anything.
Further, the Army failed to establish why there was firing, at all, in an area known to hold disarmed prisoners.
To this day, battalion commander Lt. Col. Charles Ware does not have a clear explanation.
"Our mission and our directives were to engage the Iraqi army as they made an effort to proceed to the west," Ware says.
But these prisoners, the scouts say, were not proceeding anywhere.
More than nine years later, the scouts say they are still tormented by what they witnessed.
"You feel like you betrayed these people that you had taken into your care," Manchester says.
"It makes me feel so guilty," says Walker. "It’s just like I pulled the trigger myself."
The scouts say they do not believe the Army deliberately set out to attack unarmed prisoners. But they also believe the Army was not interested in finding out the truth—whatever it may be.
The world talks about the American crimes against Iraq !!
The American Army has unveiled new reports implying that the American forces attacked, unwarrantedly, retreating Iraqi forces after the cease fire in the Gulf War. It is not easy to deny what have been stated in Seymour Hersh’s article, published by the New Yorker. There are strong reasons that push the Pentagon and the Congress to review the subject. Some officers, who are acquainted with the American assault, have provided detailed testimonies suggesting that General Barry McCaffrey, one of the most prominent Generals in America and who has got most of medals, had ordered the launch of an unwarranted revengeful attack.
General McCaffrey had defended his act, but none of what he said justified the response of an Army’s element to the New Yorker’s article. Because the internal investigations conducted by the Army are not the appropriate answer.
The crux of the issue which Hersh has risen, is whether General McCaffrey, who was commanding the 24th Infantry Division, had intended to provoke fighting with retreating Iraqi forces after the cease fire had come into force, that he blocked the causeway in the face of these forces to launch an astounding assault against them on March 2nd 1991.
Hersh told a number of officers under General McCaffrey’s command, including Lieutenant Colonel Patric Larimore, the division’s operations officer, that an excessive fire had been used against Iraqi forces that did not pose a serious threat to the Americans. They believe that the American assault had constituted an open and premeditated violation of cease fire rules and disengagement approved by the Pentagon.
Hersh scrutinized a number of other serious charges in which soldiers, led by General McCaffrey, had been involved in killing a number of Iraqi prisoners of war. Investigations, that had been conducted by the Army into all these matters and which had proved McCaffrey’s guiltlessness, must not be the last word. As Walter Kronkit, the former programs designer in C.B.S, had hinted in a letter he had sent to the Times this week, that the Pentagon efforts in restricting the coverage of war news had blocked the American people from being informed about the battles waged by the American forces in Kuwait and Iraq. A more comprehensive coverage would have indicated, since long time ago, whether McCaffrey’s orders were appropriate.
The Senate did not conduct a deep investigation into the acs of the 24th Infantry Division when it approved the promotion of General Mccaffrey after the war or when it approved his appointment in his current position as the designer of the anti-drugs policy.
The Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, must form an independent panel to review this matter, and if he does not do that, the Senate and the House should have their own investigation to discover the facts.
An Investigation Unveils an American Massacre
Against Iraqi Prisoners of War
The American Associated Press Agency, AP, reported that it was acquainted with military records consisting of hundreds of pages which confirm that the American soldiers continued opening fire on an Iraqi Republican Guard Battalion at the Iraqi-Kuwaiti borders on March 1st, namely two days after the official cease fire. The documents confirmed that the investigations of the American Army had intended to hide basic information about the American violations.
The new investigations in the file of initial investigations made it clear that the investigators deleted the names of the soldiers, whom they interviewed, in order to avoid, later, any examinations of their statements. Some other records had also been removed from the file of investigation into the incident, which became known to some people in the Pentagon as (Rumaila Incident) and to others as (Rumaila Massacre)!!
An official note issued by the Pentagon on 9 Sept. 1991, acknowledged the occurrence of a (military engagement) with the Iraqi soldiers on March 2nd, but it held the Iraqis responsible under the pretext that they had (provoked) the American forces!!
The new documents charge the 24th American battalion under General McCaffrey’s command with murdering hundreds of Iraqi prisoners of war and veterans after the issuance of cease fire decision.
During the investigation, one officer, who was working under General McCaffrey’s command, testified that he regarded what had happened as (a massacre). My belief was, what had happened constituted a massacre, but the basic line of General (McCaffrey’s) behavior was an attempt to protect the American soldiers from a potential exposure to fire, he said.
As to the General, who advanced to the front lines to lead the assault himself, he said in front of a Senate House Committee, that he could specify the number of the Iraqi soldiers who had been killed by the American fire as a result of that assault.
Second: What had been dropped on Iraq was equivalent to 7 nuclear bombs. It killed thousands of people and destroyed the environment
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The last years outcomes have unveiled that the depleted uranium (DU) was relevant to strange diseases that spread in Iraq recently, as America has fired:
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(940) thousands of small depleted uranium rounds.
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(14) thousands of tanks missiles.
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It had destroyed two vehicles loaded with depleted uranium shells during the war in order to make its poisonous parcels spread in the air.
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It had fired more that (50) thousands of missiles by war planes that bombarded cities in the north, south, and center of Iraq.
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It had dropped (88) thousand tons of different kinds and sizes of bombs, which were equivalent to seven and a half folds of the explosive and incendiary power of the bomb dropped on Heroshima.
The British Defense Secretary Rikfind, had also acknowledged in a letter he had sent to the member of the British Common House, Tony Bin, that the British forces had fired 88 thousands of depleted uranium shells on the Iraqi forces, and the American forces had used twice as much as that.
* The Depleted Uranium:
Poisonous and radio active material, which results from the process of uranium enrichment. The rate of its radioactivity is 06% of the enriched uranium radioactivity. Among its effects, are the increase in the rate of the patients of leukemia, congenital deformation among the fetuses, abortions of the pregnant, herpes, and all kinds of malignant tumors (cancer).
Reports point out:
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There are 270 680 thousand kgs of depleted uranium wastes had been left in the military battlefield between Iraq and Kuwait. Iraq has been suffering from the existence of radioactive materials on its territory, which it cannot remove due to its financial and technical inability.
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The different weapons that had been fired on Iraq were equivalent to 7 nuclear bombs.
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The bombardment of Iraq has left radioactive materials which resulted in a genocide against the population of Iraq, especially those who were exposed to bombardment during the war. Further, there were about (50) thousand Iraqi child died during the first eight months of 1991, due to cancer diseases, renal failure, and internal diseases that were not known in the past.
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The depleted uranium has contributed in soil and underground water pollution. The rate of this pollution is equivalent to ten folds of normal extent, and its costs are estimated at $ 370 billion.
Third: The Genocide War against the Iraqi People.
The International Custom has rested on some basic facts, which it regards as rights that must not be transgressed, especially the nonuse of genocide means, racial discrimination and segregation as well as not exposing civilians to danger, and inflicting any harm on these firm basic rights constitutes a crime against humanity. This International Custom has been embodied in the items of Geneva Fourth Conventions, the Additional Protocol, Annex 1,and the International Convention for the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide Perpetrators.
In the light of these conventions’ humanitarian purposes and pursuant to their essential facts, the economic sanctions are considered as an act of war and a systematic genocide against the Iraqi people, aside from implementing them by military force, which, from a legal point of view, is considered as an object of implementing the standards of the Humanitarian International Law.
The extensive destruction of the civilian infrastructure has led to the death of a great number of people, especially children, the elderly and the sick. What is certain, the bombardment campaign led by the US had largely gone beyond the declared purposes of the relevant Security Council Resolutions, for it had actually aimed at the destruction of the morale of Iraq and its social tenacity, both materially and morally.
The American assault against Iraq was random. It had greatly got ahead of the clear military goals. It covered each element in the social infrastructure and cultural heritage of the country. In its attack, America had bombarded targets in all main cities comprehensively. This bombardment had, in many instances, recurred on the same targets, including isolated villages and remote nomads tents!!
and if they wnanna sadam hussian they can put him in the jail or arrest him nt go to iraq bc of iraqi oil by the way did u know pres bush get oil companies and war for oil its so clear
US War Crimes Against Iraq, Arabs and Peoples of the World: Irrefutable Facts
Permanent Mission of Iraq to the United Nations, New York 11jun00
* Contents
* Introduction
* Your words are self-condemning
* First: Three US criminal acts
* The world talks about the US crimes against Iraq
o The New Yorker’ magazine article by Seymour Hersh
o The investigation by the US AP agency, revealing a US massacre against Iraqi POWs
* Second: Dropped on Iraq an equal to 7 atomic bombs
* Third the war of genocide against the Iraqi people
* Irrefutable Facts
* US War Crimes
Introduction:
The USA has long ago, including during the First and Second World Wars and other regional wars, perpetrated a series of war crimes against peoples and nations, including notably, the people of Iraq who has been subjected to the most horrendous premeditated act of murder. To willfully sustain an organized genocide against this people, it has employed internationally prohibited criminal means such as the use of depleted uranium (DU) shells and chemical weapons; killing of POWs and burying some living persons in ditches; as well as other hostile methods like sabotage of agriculture, contamination of environment and devastation of power centers in Iraq, the Arab Nation and the world at large.
The US acts of aggression against the people of Iraq are a war crime as they flagrantly violate Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 which define the war crime as one of the following actions:
B-1: deliberate attacks against civilian population, in this very capacity, or against civilians not participating directly in military actions.
6: killing or injuring a combatant who has voluntarily surrendered, by laying down his weapon or when he no longer has a means of defense.
20: the use of weapons, shells, war material or means causing, ipso facto, unnecessary damages or pains, or of an indiscriminate nature contravening international law on armed conflicts.
C: In case of a non-international armed conflict, the gross violations of Article 3 shared by the four Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949: any act committed against persons not actively engaged in actions, including those from the armed forces who have laid down their weapons and who have become unable to fight because of illness, injury, detention or any other reason.
This documented bulletin deals with the observation and presentation of events involving murders and genocide perpetrated by the US and its allies’ forces in the war against Iraq, and after cease fire, against the Arab Nation and peoples of the world. It includes supporting official statements, testimonies of witnesses and revelations of official documented reports and studies.
It is a bulletin seeking objectivity in presenting events as firsthand documented. It is an outcry against the murder and a disclosure of the reality of those criminals who claim liberty, justice, democracy and respect for human rights.
Your Words are Self-Condemning
First- Three criminal US acts against Iraq
Mr. Seymour M. Hersh wrote in The New Yorker magazine on 22 May 2000 an article focusing on 3 criminal acts perpetrated by the US forces during the so-called Gulf War in Iraq. These are:
Battle of Rumailah, 2 March 1991; the events of 27 February and 1 March in which American soldiers fired upon Iraqis posing no threat to them, persons who had already surrendered on 27 February. Investigation into these three events was conducted by US army investigators, after crimes, which US officials tried to suppress their consequences, had smelled. However, Hersh insisted on making interviews with more than 200 American former and still on-duty officers and men, including the army investigators, which took him six months. He, later, came to clarifying a disturbing image, as reflected by editor David Reimnick in his comments on Hersh’s article:
1- The Incident of 2 March 1991
Two days after President Bush’s declaration of cease fire, the 24th division, led by General Barry McCaffrey, who is now in charge of the White House Office of National Drug Control, opened fire at Iraqis posing no threat to them.
The division commander alleged that his troops had been attacked by a retreating Iraqi Republican Guard division. But his allegations were disputed by the officers assigned to McCaffrey’s mobile headquarters on how significant and strong the Iraqi attack was. However, McCaffrey ordered a "comprehensive offensive" that destroyed some 700 tanks, armored vehicles and carriers, in spite of the cease fire!
Hersh says,
"Many of the Generals interviewed for this account believe that McCaffrey’s attack went too far, and violated one of the most fundamental doctrines: that a commander must respond in proportion t o the threat…"
He adds,
" McCaffrey’s accounts were disputed by soldiers and officers who were at the scene on March 2nd . His offensive was not so much a counterattack provoked by enemy fire as a systematic destruction of Iraqis who were generally fulfilling the requirements of retreat…"
Among McCaffery’s harshest critics his fellow Army Generals. Lieutenant General James H. Johnson (retired) who commanded the 82nd Airborne Division during the war said: "There was no need to be shooting at anybody. They couldn’t surrender fast enough. The war was over."
Lieutenant General Roland Griffith, who commanded the 1st Armored Division of VII Corps, said of McCaffrey "He made it a battle when it was never one…"
Two days after the cease-fire, McCaffrey had moved his forces toward the access road used by the retreating Iraqis without informing all the senior officers who needed to know- inside his own division operations center at XVIII Corps, and at Third Army headquarters. A scout unit reported to McCaffrey’s command post that it was being fired upon by the retreating Iraqis; so he decided to launch a wide-scale offensive without listening to subordinates who questioned him about the nature of the Iraqi threat and the appropriate response to it.
Patrick Lamar, the operations officer, says, "I know that for a fact". He described the battle as "against hoax". The Iraqis were doing absolutely nothing. I told McCaffrey I was having trouble confirming the incoming…"
According to many volunteers with whom Hersh talked and who were at the scene, "nothing suggests there is an Iraqi attack in the morning of March 2nd ".
James Manchester, a scout who operated in advance of the main force recalled, "thinking that everything is over. These guys are going home. It is just a line of vehicles on the road ".
Edward R. Walker, another scout, says, "Many Iraqi tanks were mounted on flatbed trucks, with their turrets turned backward…"
2- The Incident of 27 February 1991
Lieutenant General (James Testerman) said:
"In the afternoon of February 37th, namely one day before the cease fire , James Manchester and other scouts were providing a road bunker, in front of the major forces of Lieutenant Colonel Ware’s battalion, with soldiers. The operation was proceeding routinely, the Lieutenant Colonel recalled. "A Buick" comes up, with the commander, who had surrendered his battalion to us. Vehicles kept arriving , including an Iraqi hospital bus, as reported by the specialist, Edward Walker, who was ordered to keep a head count. There were 382 Iraqi prisoners, all stripped of weapons and lined up in rows, he recalled. One of the soldiers, who had lost an eye, asked if he was now a prisoner. He was told yes. "Thank Allah", the man said. Each one of these Iraqi soldiers was given (a white piece of paper), because they didn’t have anything white.
Lieutenant General James Testerman said:
"Lieutenant Allen, who was responsible for the scout platoon, made it a point to keep the battalion headquarters in the loop. Allen told the battalion center that he had captured a large number of prisoners, he also reported the precise position of the surrendered Iraqi hospital bus".
According to Walker, Ware’s headquarters were ordered to blow up the confiscated weapons, and Ware was chosen for this task, then a scout platoon was ordered to move. While they were driving their vehicles the explosion occurred. At that moment, Walker said, a battalion of Bradleys came into view and began rolling toward the prisoners, then the Bradley’s machine guns opened up.
Another scout, Sergeant Steve L. Mulig, said: "I saw rounds impact in front of the vehicle and I could tell that they were hitting close to the prisoners, because there were people running. There were some who could have survived, but a lot of them wouldn’t have, from were I saw the rounds hit".
He added, Sergeant Steven Larimore, who was in charge of a G.S.R team, was ordered to work with scouts from the 3-7 Battalion affiliated with McCaffrey’s command. Some army troops had discovered a cache of Iraqi weapons at a deserted schoolhouse on March 1st late afternoon. The radar team joined the 3-7 scouts in clearing the village and searching the schoolhouse. The weapons were covered with a waxed paper and protective grease. After taking souvenirs, Larimore told me , he and his men moved to the east, still accompanied by the scouts. Larimore and his men noticed a group of villagers walking in the area. One guy had a white bed sheet on a stick, but unwarrantedly, some guy from where we’re sitting in the scout platoon "begins shooting" into the villagers. Other machine guns joined in. We were screaming, ‘Cease fire!!’ The firing went on. Larimore estimated that he saw fifteen, and perhaps twenty Iraqis fall. He had never been in a firefight before, he said, and he was stunned by the noise and the carnage.
A second eyewitness, Sergeant Wayne R. Irwin, who was in charge of another G.S.R team and who was in the area, said that the Iraqis were "just passing through" the area when the scouts suddenly began firing their machine guns. "I yelled for them to cease fire", he said. "I couldn’t understand why they were firing". Of the Iraqis, he said, "To me, they posed no threat to us. They were all in civilian clothes".
Brasfield recorded what the scouts had been sending on the radio, while the Bradleys were shooting into Iraqis POWs, on a recorder tape he had brought with him. He heard one man saying:
"The advanced company, which is behind us, is tearing those vehicles into pieces. Another one was asking, "There is somebody firing at them. What pushes them to open fire?"
Then Lieutenant Colonel Allen reported to Ware saying:
"There is a fire, but there is no body there to open fire upon".
Ware replied, saying: I understand that.
Brasfield says in the recorder tape:
" They want to surrender. s**t on the armored vehicles. They shouldn’t have blown them up, it is a murder crime. We opened fire on the guys, whom we had gathered… they didn’t have any weapons.
3-The incident of 1 March 1991
Hersh says:
"One day after the cease fire another incident occurred, in which American soldiers were charged with opening fire on defenseless Iraqis".
The scouts explained to Irwin that the Iraqis were carrying launchers, grenade and stuff like that. But Irwin says, "that he didn’t find that account credible, and the Iraqis had nothing"!
Lieutenant Grisillo, the leader of the scouts platoon who opened fire, says:
"Larimore, whom I collided with at that time, had failed to realize that his men were responding to a threat. They raised a white flag, Grisillo recalled, but they were not carrying weapons".
In August 1991, Colonel Ernest H. Dinkel, who was then a Deputy Chief of Staff for the Criminal Investigation Division, was chosen to investigate charges contained in an anonymous letter that had been mailed to the Army Inspector General. It appeared to have been written by an officer serving in one of McCaffrey’s 24th Division command posts.
Dinkel says: "That’s what scared everybody. This was from someone who was there. The letter alleged that McCaffrey was guilty of a "war crime" in his march 2nd assault on the retreating Iraqis, and had urged his brigade commanders "to find a way for him to go and kill all the bastards".
The letter also claimed that 24th Division soldiers had "slaughtered Iraqi prisoners of war after seizing an airfield".
Hersh says: "Colonel Dinkel and his crew spent several weeks conducting interviews with more than 150 men and women, including McCaffrey and his aides, and collecting data on the anonymous letter, at Fort Stewart and at Army bases across America, but they never focused on the shootings of February 27th and 1st March 1991."
General Peter Barry, the commander of the Army’s Criminal Investigation Division, explained: "While the investigation had been closed, the senior Army commanders realized that there was a specific element of reality in what was contained in the anonymous letter, which explains that its writer, whoever he may be, has a detailed information, but to confirm a criminal act is a difficult matter".
Concerning March 1st 1991, shortly after returning from Iraq, Sergeant Larimore gathered six of his colleagues from the Ground Surveillance Radar teams of the 124th Military Intelligence Battalion, and walked into the Fort Stewart branch of the Army’s Criminal Investigation Division office and met with two investigators. These men described what they had seen on March 1st, when Iraqis in civilian clothes had been shot near a schoolhouse while holding a white flag.
All six of us went and told what we knew, Larimore said. The basic tenet was that we didn’t see anybody shooting at us before the 1st Brigade platoon opened fire.
U.S. Soldiers Say Fellow Troops Fired on Helpless Iraqis
Three days into the massive Gulf War ground on Iraq, a platoon of scouts was patrolling ahead of the U.S. Army’s main forces, looking for signs of enemy troops.
It was Feb. 27,1991, and the platoon was ordered to set up a roadblock on Highway 8 near the Jalibah airfield in Iraq,80 miles west of the city of Basrah. The operation seemed routine, the scouts told ABCNEWS, until an Iraqi soldier emerged from a nearby bunker. He wanted to surrender, according to scouts who spoke to ABCNEWS. Soon, other Iraqi soldiers followed, also trying to surrender, the scouts said.
It kept escalating," says one of the American soldiers, Edward Walker. "I mean, it just—vehicles kept coming and more vehicles, then more people."
The scouts were part of the 2—7 Battalion of the 1st Brigade, and they had orders to check areas ahead of the main forces and to be on the lookout for enemy troops. Walker and three others of the six former scouts interviewed by ABCNEWS have since left the army
Their missions were potentially dangerous. But on that day in February 1991, as Iraqi troops began to surrender, the scouts said they met no resistance as they began to confiscate the Iraqis weapons. They kept the Iraqi prisoners of war seated together along the roadside. About 200-300 Iraqis had arrived in a dozen vehicles.
At all times, the scouts said, they kept their commander informed. James Manchester, who now works for a technology company, tells ABCNEWS the scouts made it clear through radio communications that the Iraqi soldiers had surrendered and had given up their weapons. "We gave update as to every situation as it occurred," Manchester says.
Hours later, the scouts platoon was ordered to move on to another mission, but several stayed behind to destroy the prisoners weapons. The situation that seemed under control, the scouts say, quickly deteriorated when about 14 Bradley fighting vehicles from the scouts battalion appeared on the scene.
"That when I saw some of the turrets on the Bradleys traverse," says David Collatt, a scout from Arkansas.
And then, all of a sudden, their fellow soldiers started shouting, Collatt says.
According to the scouts, the Bradleys began firing in the area of the abandoned Iraqi vehicles and unarmed prisoners. Six scouts interviewed by ABCNEWS say they saw it happen. Walker, who now lives in Missouri says he still has troubles dealing with his experiences in the Gulf War, and Collatt say they were about 200 yards away, "I seen the rounds impacting into the bank."
Collatt says, "Dirt kicking up and people jumping up and running."
Walker says the scouts tried to get the Bradleys to cease fire. "We’re screaming at them. ‘Tell them to stop, tell them to stop!’"
The Bradley rounds were falling dangerously close to the scouts’ Humvees as they sped away, they say.
The soldier say they did not see whether any of the prisoners were wounded or killed.
Given the firepower of a Bradley, several scouts are convinced it would have been impossible for everyone to emerge unscathed.
"It’d be a miracle if no one got killed, injured or mamed from what happened" ,Collatt says.
Prompted by a compliant from one of the scouts who said he had witnessed a war crime, the Army launched an internal investigation. Col. John LeMoyne, commander of 1st Brigade, oversaw the investigation. The 1st Brigade was part of 24th Infantry Division, which was under the command of Gen. Barry McCaffrey, who is now the director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, the so-called drug czar.
"Nobody was killed", LeMoyne says, "None, zero, Soldiers, the Iraqi soldiers were never shot at, ever, at that point … none of us—hundred and hundreds of us—ever saw a body. None of us."
But ABCNEWS reviewed the investigation and found it to be flawed and incomplete.
The Army failed to interview the aide whom LeMoyne told investigators he immediately sent to the area. It also failed to interview many of the scouts.
And, ABCNEWS has learned, the Army did not interview many of the Bradley crews. While the Army did conclude there was firing by the Bradley, it failed to establish which Bradleys were firing.
The Bradley crew members who did submit statements denied any knowledge of the incident and denied shooting at anything.
Further, the Army failed to establish why there was firing, at all, in an area known to hold disarmed prisoners.
To this day, battalion commander Lt. Col. Charles Ware does not have a clear explanation.
"Our mission and our directives were to engage the Iraqi army as they made an effort to proceed to the west," Ware says.
But these prisoners, the scouts say, were not proceeding anywhere.
More than nine years later, the scouts say they are still tormented by what they witnessed.
"You feel like you betrayed these people that you had taken into your care," Manchester says.
"It makes me feel so guilty," says Walker. "It’s just like I pulled the trigger myself."
The scouts say they do not believe the Army deliberately set out to attack unarmed prisoners. But they also believe the Army was not interested in finding out the truth—whatever it may be.
The world talks about the American crimes against Iraq !!
The American Army has unveiled new reports implying that the American forces attacked, unwarrantedly, retreating Iraqi forces after the cease fire in the Gulf War. It is not easy to deny what have been stated in Seymour Hersh’s article, published by the New Yorker. There are strong reasons that push the Pentagon and the Congress to review the subject. Some officers, who are acquainted with the American assault, have provided detailed testimonies suggesting that General Barry McCaffrey, one of the most prominent Generals in America and who has got most of medals, had ordered the launch of an unwarranted revengeful attack.
General McCaffrey had defended his act, but none of what he said justified the response of an Army’s element to the New Yorker’s article. Because the internal investigations conducted by the Army are not the appropriate answer.
The crux of the issue which Hersh has risen, is whether General McCaffrey, who was commanding the 24th Infantry Division, had intended to provoke fighting with retreating Iraqi forces after the cease fire had come into force, that he blocked the causeway in the face of these forces to launch an astounding assault against them on March 2nd 1991.
Hersh told a number of officers under General McCaffrey’s command, including Lieutenant Colonel Patric Larimore, the division’s operations officer, that an excessive fire had been used against Iraqi forces that did not pose a serious threat to the Americans. They believe that the American assault had constituted an open and premeditated violation of cease fire rules and disengagement approved by the Pentagon.
Hersh scrutinized a number of other serious charges in which soldiers, led by General McCaffrey, had been involved in killing a number of Iraqi prisoners of war. Investigations, that had been conducted by the Army into all these matters and which had proved McCaffrey’s guiltlessness, must not be the last word. As Walter Kronkit, the former programs designer in C.B.S, had hinted in a letter he had sent to the Times this week, that the Pentagon efforts in restricting the coverage of war news had blocked the American people from being informed about the battles waged by the American forces in Kuwait and Iraq. A more comprehensive coverage would have indicated, since long time ago, whether McCaffrey’s orders were appropriate.
The Senate did not conduct a deep investigation into the acs of the 24th Infantry Division when it approved the promotion of General Mccaffrey after the war or when it approved his appointment in his current position as the designer of the anti-drugs policy.
The Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, must form an independent panel to review this matter, and if he does not do that, the Senate and the House should have their own investigation to discover the facts.
An Investigation Unveils an American Massacre
Against Iraqi Prisoners of War
The American Associated Press Agency, AP, reported that it was acquainted with military records consisting of hundreds of pages which confirm that the American soldiers continued opening fire on an Iraqi Republican Guard Battalion at the Iraqi-Kuwaiti borders on March 1st, namely two days after the official cease fire. The documents confirmed that the investigations of the American Army had intended to hide basic information about the American violations.
The new investigations in the file of initial investigations made it clear that the investigators deleted the names of the soldiers, whom they interviewed, in order to avoid, later, any examinations of their statements. Some other records had also been removed from the file of investigation into the incident, which became known to some people in the Pentagon as (Rumaila Incident) and to others as (Rumaila Massacre)!!
An official note issued by the Pentagon on 9 Sept. 1991, acknowledged the occurrence of a (military engagement) with the Iraqi soldiers on March 2nd, but it held the Iraqis responsible under the pretext that they had (provoked) the American forces!!
The new documents charge the 24th American battalion under General McCaffrey’s command with murdering hundreds of Iraqi prisoners of war and veterans after the issuance of cease fire decision.
During the investigation, one officer, who was working under General McCaffrey’s command, testified that he regarded what had happened as (a massacre). My belief was, what had happened constituted a massacre, but the basic line of General (McCaffrey’s) behavior was an attempt to protect the American soldiers from a potential exposure to fire, he said.
As to the General, who advanced to the front lines to lead the assault himself, he said in front of a Senate House Committee, that he could specify the number of the Iraqi soldiers who had been killed by the American fire as a result of that assault.
Second: What had been dropped on Iraq was equivalent to 7 nuclear bombs. It killed thousands of people and destroyed the environment
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The last years outcomes have unveiled that the depleted uranium (DU) was relevant to strange diseases that spread in Iraq recently, as America has fired:
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(940) thousands of small depleted uranium rounds.
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(14) thousands of tanks missiles.
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It had destroyed two vehicles loaded with depleted uranium shells during the war in order to make its poisonous parcels spread in the air.
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It had fired more that (50) thousands of missiles by war planes that bombarded cities in the north, south, and center of Iraq.
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It had dropped (88) thousand tons of different kinds and sizes of bombs, which were equivalent to seven and a half folds of the explosive and incendiary power of the bomb dropped on Heroshima.
The British Defense Secretary Rikfind, had also acknowledged in a letter he had sent to the member of the British Common House, Tony Bin, that the British forces had fired 88 thousands of depleted uranium shells on the Iraqi forces, and the American forces had used twice as much as that.
* The Depleted Uranium:
Poisonous and radio active material, which results from the process of uranium enrichment. The rate of its radioactivity is 06% of the enriched uranium radioactivity. Among its effects, are the increase in the rate of the patients of leukemia, congenital deformation among the fetuses, abortions of the pregnant, herpes, and all kinds of malignant tumors (cancer).
Reports point out:
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There are 270 680 thousand kgs of depleted uranium wastes had been left in the military battlefield between Iraq and Kuwait. Iraq has been suffering from the existence of radioactive materials on its territory, which it cannot remove due to its financial and technical inability.
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The different weapons that had been fired on Iraq were equivalent to 7 nuclear bombs.
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The bombardment of Iraq has left radioactive materials which resulted in a genocide against the population of Iraq, especially those who were exposed to bombardment during the war. Further, there were about (50) thousand Iraqi child died during the first eight months of 1991, due to cancer diseases, renal failure, and internal diseases that were not known in the past.
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The depleted uranium has contributed in soil and underground water pollution. The rate of this pollution is equivalent to ten folds of normal extent, and its costs are estimated at $ 370 billion.
Third: The Genocide War against the Iraqi People.
The International Custom has rested on some basic facts, which it regards as rights that must not be transgressed, especially the nonuse of genocide means, racial discrimination and segregation as well as not exposing civilians to danger, and inflicting any harm on these firm basic rights constitutes a crime against humanity. This International Custom has been embodied in the items of Geneva Fourth Conventions, the Additional Protocol, Annex 1,and the International Convention for the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide Perpetrators.
In the light of these conventions’ humanitarian purposes and pursuant to their essential facts, the economic sanctions are considered as an act of war and a systematic genocide against the Iraqi people, aside from implementing them by military force, which, from a legal point of view, is considered as an object of implementing the standards of the Humanitarian International Law.
The extensive destruction of the civilian infrastructure has led to the death of a great number of people, especially children, the elderly and the sick. What is certain, the bombardment campaign led by the US had largely gone beyond the declared purposes of the relevant Security Council Resolutions, for it had actually aimed at the destruction of the morale of Iraq and its social tenacity, both materially and morally.
The American assault against Iraq was random. It had greatly got ahead of the clear military goals. It covered each element in the social infrastructure and cultural heritage of the country. In its attack, America had bombarded targets in all main cities comprehensively. This bombardment had, in many instances, recurred on the same targets, including isolated villages and remote nomads tents!!
2009年7月8日 11:19Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4
Becks
24, 英國
The Iraqi people had faced a survival crisis of frightening dimensions. The water and sanitation systems had broken up, there was a shortage in foodstuff and the exhausted hospital supplies were not replaced. Early March 1991, the untreated sewage waters began to flow into the Tigris, the main drinking water source for thousands of civilian people. The weakness of the means for the treatment of these waters led to the spread of the diseases of cholera, typhoid, hepatitis and polio, which had been fully eradicated from Iraq prior to the war.
A report, which had been prepared by a team of lawyers and specialists in public health from Harvard University in October 1991, had unveiled that the morality among children under five years old in Iraq have been doubled almost five times since the Gulf War and there are about one million child suffering malnutrition, in addition to almost one hundred thousands child who are starving to death.
According to the report of the team, the children are similar to those who survived Heroshima bomb and are characterized with sluggishness and lack of sensation. Dr, Magne Roundalen commented that the children are similar to living dead people, who have lost all their feelings and no longer enjoy their life.
Harvard Report pointed out to a general health catastrophe which is existing all around the country. The children who are suffering anemia and diabetes and who can be cured, are dying due to the lack of cancer medicine and insulin, and there are diseases like polio and measles, which can be prevented, have come to spread again. The report has estimated that the morality average among children under five years old has risen up to 38% and that third of the survivors are suffering from severe malnutrition.
According to a group of psychoanalysts, who have a decade long experience in the wars of Uganda, the Sudan, and Mozambique, the Iraqi children " are the most suffering children among wars’ children that were being described". The report commented on this miserable generation of Iraqi children by saying, "shock, estrangement, sorrow, absence of hopes, current feeling of threat, the feeling that what had happened might happen again and the impact of sanctions make us wonder: Aren’t these children the most suffering in the world?"
Irrefutable Facts
The principle of discrimination between combatants and civilians constitutes a basic element of Humanitarian International Law, and consequently we must consider whether the comprehensive blockade aims at the whole population in a way that causes grave harms to the civilians, and which makes them actually the main object of the blockade.
The inhuman destruction, which has been inflicted upon Iraq and its people through ongoing comprehensive embargo and war, and despite the official cease fire and Iraq’s implementation of its obligations, constitutes a continuation of the war, and consequently a "Genocide".
The US and the UK bear the full responsibility for these crimes and genocide under International Law. They are indebted to the International Community, including the state of Iraq, for this responsibility in its criminal dimension. They are also indebted to Iraq and its people for this responsibility in its civil dimension.
The international responsibility is not limited only to these states, rather it extends, in one way or another, to include states that implement the blockade, as they are indirectly responsible for the damages being inflicted , indiscriminately, on civilians in contradiction to the obligations established in Humanitarian International Law.
From 1995 to 1998, the Oil-for-Food Deal had failed to meet the humanitarian needs in accordance with the Secretary General’s warning regarding the deterioration of the humanitarian condition of the Iraqi people. He had urgently called for an increase in the essential resources to cover the needs of the Iraqi people.
The report of the Secretary General had proved that what have been provided to Iraq under the economic sanctions system are far from meeting the basic needs of the Iraqi people. This proves that the violation of Geneva Fourth Convention and the Additional Protocol, Annex 1, is going on against the Iraqi people and up to the present time.
In the light of what have been mentioned, it becomes clear that the US is the first engineer of the genocide to which the Iraqi people is subjected for years now, as the American officials work with intention and determination to annihilate a whole nation after they had tested new kinds of weapons in a real environment. So, the use of these weapons had caused a genocide to an old civilized nation.
Thus, the United States bears the responsibility for this crime of the age and it enters the circle of the criminal law as the first criminal of war, who has been set free for a century now.
source: http://www.iraqi-mission.org/ 26 Nov 2000
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by the way do u hear about serbian soliders who raped more than 50000 women in bosnia and who killing lots of thounds of old women and men and kids and preggie women
do u remember that or know that
have good time
A report, which had been prepared by a team of lawyers and specialists in public health from Harvard University in October 1991, had unveiled that the morality among children under five years old in Iraq have been doubled almost five times since the Gulf War and there are about one million child suffering malnutrition, in addition to almost one hundred thousands child who are starving to death.
According to the report of the team, the children are similar to those who survived Heroshima bomb and are characterized with sluggishness and lack of sensation. Dr, Magne Roundalen commented that the children are similar to living dead people, who have lost all their feelings and no longer enjoy their life.
Harvard Report pointed out to a general health catastrophe which is existing all around the country. The children who are suffering anemia and diabetes and who can be cured, are dying due to the lack of cancer medicine and insulin, and there are diseases like polio and measles, which can be prevented, have come to spread again. The report has estimated that the morality average among children under five years old has risen up to 38% and that third of the survivors are suffering from severe malnutrition.
According to a group of psychoanalysts, who have a decade long experience in the wars of Uganda, the Sudan, and Mozambique, the Iraqi children " are the most suffering children among wars’ children that were being described". The report commented on this miserable generation of Iraqi children by saying, "shock, estrangement, sorrow, absence of hopes, current feeling of threat, the feeling that what had happened might happen again and the impact of sanctions make us wonder: Aren’t these children the most suffering in the world?"
Irrefutable Facts
The principle of discrimination between combatants and civilians constitutes a basic element of Humanitarian International Law, and consequently we must consider whether the comprehensive blockade aims at the whole population in a way that causes grave harms to the civilians, and which makes them actually the main object of the blockade.
The inhuman destruction, which has been inflicted upon Iraq and its people through ongoing comprehensive embargo and war, and despite the official cease fire and Iraq’s implementation of its obligations, constitutes a continuation of the war, and consequently a "Genocide".
The US and the UK bear the full responsibility for these crimes and genocide under International Law. They are indebted to the International Community, including the state of Iraq, for this responsibility in its criminal dimension. They are also indebted to Iraq and its people for this responsibility in its civil dimension.
The international responsibility is not limited only to these states, rather it extends, in one way or another, to include states that implement the blockade, as they are indirectly responsible for the damages being inflicted , indiscriminately, on civilians in contradiction to the obligations established in Humanitarian International Law.
From 1995 to 1998, the Oil-for-Food Deal had failed to meet the humanitarian needs in accordance with the Secretary General’s warning regarding the deterioration of the humanitarian condition of the Iraqi people. He had urgently called for an increase in the essential resources to cover the needs of the Iraqi people.
The report of the Secretary General had proved that what have been provided to Iraq under the economic sanctions system are far from meeting the basic needs of the Iraqi people. This proves that the violation of Geneva Fourth Convention and the Additional Protocol, Annex 1, is going on against the Iraqi people and up to the present time.
In the light of what have been mentioned, it becomes clear that the US is the first engineer of the genocide to which the Iraqi people is subjected for years now, as the American officials work with intention and determination to annihilate a whole nation after they had tested new kinds of weapons in a real environment. So, the use of these weapons had caused a genocide to an old civilized nation.
Thus, the United States bears the responsibility for this crime of the age and it enters the circle of the criminal law as the first criminal of war, who has been set free for a century now.
source: http://www.iraqi-mission.org/ 26 Nov 2000
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by the way do u hear about serbian soliders who raped more than 50000 women in bosnia and who killing lots of thounds of old women and men and kids and preggie women
do u remember that or know that
have good time
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2009年7月7日 11:3Re: Re: Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all
Becks
24, 英國
peace be with u james and h ru ?
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The teachings of the Prophet muhammad peace be up on him on how you and I should treat our Non-Muslim friends and neighbours on a day to day basis as well as how to government should treat a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state. "He who believes in God and the Last Day should honour his guest, should not harm his neighbour, should speak good or keep quiet." (Bukhari, Muslim) "Whoever hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys God." (Bukhari) "He who hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state, I am his adversary, and I shall be his adversary on the Day of a Judgement." (Bukhari) "Beware on the Day of Judgement; I shall mysefl be complainant against him who wrongs a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state or lays on him a responsibility greater than he can bear or deprives him of anything that belongs to him." (Al-Mawardi) "Anyone who kills a Non-Muslim who had become our ally will not smell the fragrance of Paradise." (Bukhari) (the prophet of god forbid the killing of women and childerns)
1th
The teachings of the Prophet muhammad peace be up on him on how you and I should treat our Non-Muslim friends and neighbours on a day to day basis as well as how to government should treat a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state. "He who believes in God and the Last Day should honour his guest, should not harm his neighbour, should speak good or keep quiet." (Bukhari, Muslim) "Whoever hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys God." (Bukhari) "He who hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state, I am his adversary, and I shall be his adversary on the Day of a Judgement." (Bukhari) "Beware on the Day of Judgement; I shall mysefl be complainant against him who wrongs a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state or lays on him a responsibility greater than he can bear or deprives him of anything that belongs to him." (Al-Mawardi) "Anyone who kills a Non-Muslim who had become our ally will not smell the fragrance of Paradise." (Bukhari) (the prophet of god forbid the killing of women and childerns)
2009年7月8日 3:22Re: Re: Re: Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all
As I said in my original posting, when Islam was founded it probably WAS a religion of Peace. You can't make the same claim about it now, not when the major export of many Muslim nations is terrorism. I am NOT claiming that the western nations as a whole, or the USA in particular are perfect, NOTHING on this plane of existence is perfect. All I'm saying is to stop spamming this group with Islamist Propaganda and lies about how "Peaceful" a religion Islam is.
Although, I guess the grave WOULD be rather peaceful.
Although, I guess the grave WOULD be rather peaceful.
2009年7月8日 11:36Re: Re: Re: Re: Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all
Becks
24, 英國
The US promotes Israeli genocide against Palestinians
Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:55:49 GMT
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As long ago as October 19, 2000, the then United Nations Human Rights Commission (now Council) condemned Israel for inflicting “war crimes” and “crimes against humanity” upon the Palestinian people, most of whom are Muslims.
The reader has a general idea of what a war crime is, so I am not going to elaborate upon that term here. But there are different degrees of heinousness for war crimes. In particular are the more serious war crimes denominated “grave breaches” of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
Since the outbreak of the first Intifada in 1987, the world has seen those heinous war crimes inflicted every day by Israel against the Palestinian people living in occupied Palestine: e.g., willful killing of Palestinian civilians by the Israeli army and by Israel's illegal paramilitary settlers.
These Israeli “grave breaches” of the Fourth Geneva Convention mandate universal prosecution for the perpetrators and their commanders, whether military or civilian, including and especially Israel's political leaders.
But I want to focus for a moment on Israel's “crimes against humanity” against the Palestinian people-as determined by the UN Human Rights Commission itself, set up pursuant to the requirements of the United Nations Charter. What are “crimes against humanity”?
This concept goes all the way back to the Nuremberg Charter of 1945 for the trial of the major Nazi war criminals in Europe. In the Nuremberg Charter of 1945, drafted by the United States Government, there was created and inserted a new type of international crime specifically intended to deal with the Nazi persecution of the Jewish people:
Crimes against humanity: namely, murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, and other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, before or during the war, or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds in execution of or in connection with any crime within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal, whether or not in violation of the domestic law of the country where perpetrated.
The paradigmatic example of “crimes against humanity” is what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jewish people. This is where the concept of “crimes against humanity” came from.
And this is what the UN Human Rights Commission determined that Israel is currently doing to the Palestinian people: crimes against humanity. Expressed in legal terms, this is just like what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jews.
That is the significance of the formal determination by the UN Human Rights Commission that Israel has inflicted “crimes against humanity” upon the Palestinian people. The Commission chose this well-known and long-standing legal term of art quite carefully and deliberately based upon the evidence it had compiled.
Furthermore, the Nuremberg “crimes against humanity” are the historical and legal precursor to the international crime of genocide as defined by the 1948 Genocide Convention.
The theory here was that what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jewish people was so horrific that it required a special international treaty that would codify and universalize the Nuremberg concept of “crimes against humanity.” And that treaty ultimately became the 1948 Genocide Convention.
Article II of the Genocide Convention defines the international crime of genocide in relevant part as follows:
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.
As documented by Israeli historian Ilan Pappe in his seminal book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestin (2006), Israel's genocidal policy against the Palestinians has been unremitting, extending from before the very foundation of the State of Israel in 1948, and is ongoing and even intensifying against the 1.5 million Palestinians living in Gaza.
Zionism's “final solution” to Israel's much touted “demographic threat” allegedly posed by the very existence of the Palestinians has always been genocide.
Certainly, Israel and its predecessors-in-law-the Zionist agencies, forces, and terrorist gangs-have committed genocide against the Palestinian people that actually started on or about 1948 and has continued apace until today in violation of Genocide Convention Articles II(a), (b), and (c).
For at least the past six decades, the Israeli government and its predecessors-in-law - the Zionist agencies, forces, and terrorist gangs - have ruthlessly implemented a systematic and comprehensive military, political, and economic campaign with the intent to destroy in substantial part the national, ethnical, racial, and different religious (Jews versus Muslims and Christians) group constituting the Palestinian people.
This Zionist/Israeli campaign has consisted of killing members of the Palestinian people in violation of Genocide Convention Article II(a).
This Zionist/Israeli campaign has also caused serious bodily and mental harm to the Palestinian people in violation of Genocide Convention Article II(b).
This Zionist/Israeli campaign has also deliberately inflicted on the Palestinian people conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical destruction in substantial part in violation of Article II(c) of the Genocide Convention.
Article I of the Genocide Convention requires all contracting parties such as the United States “to prevent and to punish” genocide. Yet to the contrary, historically the “Jewish” state's criminal conduct against the Palestinians has been financed, armed, equipped, supplied and politically supported by the “Christian” United States.
Although the United States is a founding sponsor of, and a contracting party to, both the Nuremberg Charter and the Genocide Convention, as well as the United Nations Charter, these legal facts have never made any difference to the United States when it comes to its blank-check support for Israel and their joint and severable criminal mistreatment of the Palestinians-truly the wretched of the earth!
The world has not yet heard even one word uttered by the United States and its NATO allies in favor of “humanitarian intervention” against Israel in order to protect the Palestinian people, let alone a “responsibility to protect” the Palestinians from Zionist/Israeli genocide.
The United States, its NATO allies, and the Great Powers on the UN Security Council would not even dispatch a UN Charter Chapter 6 monitoring force to help protect the Palestinians, let alone even contemplate any type of UN Charter Chapter 7 enforcement actions against Israel - shudder the thought!.
The doctrine of “humanitarian intervention” so readily espoused elsewhere when US foreign policy goals are allegedly at stake has been clearly proved to be a joke and a fraud when it comes to stopping the ongoing and accelerating Israeli campaign of genocide against the Palestinian people.
Rather than rein in the Israelis - which would be possible just by turning off the funding pipeline - the United States government, the US Congress, and US taxpayers instead support the “Jewish” state to the tune of about 4 billion dollars per year, without whose munificence this instance of genocide - and indeed conceivably the State of Israel itself - would not be possible.
What the world witnesses here is (yet another) case of “dishumanitarian intervention” or “humanitarian extermination” by the United States and Israel against the Palestinians and Palestine.
In today's world genocide pays so long as it is done at the behest of the United States and its de jure or de facto allies such as Israel.
Of course miracles can always happen. But I anticipate no fundamental change in America's support for the Israeli campaign of genocide against the Palestinians during the tenure of the Obama/Clinton administration.
Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:55:49 GMT
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As long ago as October 19, 2000, the then United Nations Human Rights Commission (now Council) condemned Israel for inflicting “war crimes” and “crimes against humanity” upon the Palestinian people, most of whom are Muslims.
The reader has a general idea of what a war crime is, so I am not going to elaborate upon that term here. But there are different degrees of heinousness for war crimes. In particular are the more serious war crimes denominated “grave breaches” of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
Since the outbreak of the first Intifada in 1987, the world has seen those heinous war crimes inflicted every day by Israel against the Palestinian people living in occupied Palestine: e.g., willful killing of Palestinian civilians by the Israeli army and by Israel's illegal paramilitary settlers.
These Israeli “grave breaches” of the Fourth Geneva Convention mandate universal prosecution for the perpetrators and their commanders, whether military or civilian, including and especially Israel's political leaders.
But I want to focus for a moment on Israel's “crimes against humanity” against the Palestinian people-as determined by the UN Human Rights Commission itself, set up pursuant to the requirements of the United Nations Charter. What are “crimes against humanity”?
This concept goes all the way back to the Nuremberg Charter of 1945 for the trial of the major Nazi war criminals in Europe. In the Nuremberg Charter of 1945, drafted by the United States Government, there was created and inserted a new type of international crime specifically intended to deal with the Nazi persecution of the Jewish people:
Crimes against humanity: namely, murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, and other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, before or during the war, or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds in execution of or in connection with any crime within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal, whether or not in violation of the domestic law of the country where perpetrated.
The paradigmatic example of “crimes against humanity” is what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jewish people. This is where the concept of “crimes against humanity” came from.
And this is what the UN Human Rights Commission determined that Israel is currently doing to the Palestinian people: crimes against humanity. Expressed in legal terms, this is just like what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jews.
That is the significance of the formal determination by the UN Human Rights Commission that Israel has inflicted “crimes against humanity” upon the Palestinian people. The Commission chose this well-known and long-standing legal term of art quite carefully and deliberately based upon the evidence it had compiled.
Furthermore, the Nuremberg “crimes against humanity” are the historical and legal precursor to the international crime of genocide as defined by the 1948 Genocide Convention.
The theory here was that what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jewish people was so horrific that it required a special international treaty that would codify and universalize the Nuremberg concept of “crimes against humanity.” And that treaty ultimately became the 1948 Genocide Convention.
Article II of the Genocide Convention defines the international crime of genocide in relevant part as follows:
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.
As documented by Israeli historian Ilan Pappe in his seminal book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestin (2006), Israel's genocidal policy against the Palestinians has been unremitting, extending from before the very foundation of the State of Israel in 1948, and is ongoing and even intensifying against the 1.5 million Palestinians living in Gaza.
Zionism's “final solution” to Israel's much touted “demographic threat” allegedly posed by the very existence of the Palestinians has always been genocide.
Certainly, Israel and its predecessors-in-law-the Zionist agencies, forces, and terrorist gangs-have committed genocide against the Palestinian people that actually started on or about 1948 and has continued apace until today in violation of Genocide Convention Articles II(a), (b), and (c).
For at least the past six decades, the Israeli government and its predecessors-in-law - the Zionist agencies, forces, and terrorist gangs - have ruthlessly implemented a systematic and comprehensive military, political, and economic campaign with the intent to destroy in substantial part the national, ethnical, racial, and different religious (Jews versus Muslims and Christians) group constituting the Palestinian people.
This Zionist/Israeli campaign has consisted of killing members of the Palestinian people in violation of Genocide Convention Article II(a).
This Zionist/Israeli campaign has also caused serious bodily and mental harm to the Palestinian people in violation of Genocide Convention Article II(b).
This Zionist/Israeli campaign has also deliberately inflicted on the Palestinian people conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical destruction in substantial part in violation of Article II(c) of the Genocide Convention.
Article I of the Genocide Convention requires all contracting parties such as the United States “to prevent and to punish” genocide. Yet to the contrary, historically the “Jewish” state's criminal conduct against the Palestinians has been financed, armed, equipped, supplied and politically supported by the “Christian” United States.
Although the United States is a founding sponsor of, and a contracting party to, both the Nuremberg Charter and the Genocide Convention, as well as the United Nations Charter, these legal facts have never made any difference to the United States when it comes to its blank-check support for Israel and their joint and severable criminal mistreatment of the Palestinians-truly the wretched of the earth!
The world has not yet heard even one word uttered by the United States and its NATO allies in favor of “humanitarian intervention” against Israel in order to protect the Palestinian people, let alone a “responsibility to protect” the Palestinians from Zionist/Israeli genocide.
The United States, its NATO allies, and the Great Powers on the UN Security Council would not even dispatch a UN Charter Chapter 6 monitoring force to help protect the Palestinians, let alone even contemplate any type of UN Charter Chapter 7 enforcement actions against Israel - shudder the thought!.
The doctrine of “humanitarian intervention” so readily espoused elsewhere when US foreign policy goals are allegedly at stake has been clearly proved to be a joke and a fraud when it comes to stopping the ongoing and accelerating Israeli campaign of genocide against the Palestinian people.
Rather than rein in the Israelis - which would be possible just by turning off the funding pipeline - the United States government, the US Congress, and US taxpayers instead support the “Jewish” state to the tune of about 4 billion dollars per year, without whose munificence this instance of genocide - and indeed conceivably the State of Israel itself - would not be possible.
What the world witnesses here is (yet another) case of “dishumanitarian intervention” or “humanitarian extermination” by the United States and Israel against the Palestinians and Palestine.
In today's world genocide pays so long as it is done at the behest of the United States and its de jure or de facto allies such as Israel.
Of course miracles can always happen. But I anticipate no fundamental change in America's support for the Israeli campaign of genocide against the Palestinians during the tenure of the Obama/Clinton administration.
2009年7月7日 11:12Re: Re: Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all
Becks
24, 英國
2th about muslims or the wrong u gt abut muslims well its wrong view
bc when the crusade was in jersualem they were killing the women and the kids and the old men
Saladin (1963) Part (1/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6LXbfZZ2JQ
so what about us troops who killed more than 1 million in iraq
and 4 miliions in vietnam
and amer troops whos rapin gal and killing her and her fam and burnin her fam too
wt about abu gharib jail and tortures for the muslims in it
The Crusade against Iraqi Muslims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTm72CB2VCs
what about bush and he said its another crusade againist muslims
what about us troops whos damagin mosques n chruchs in iraq
and about my being here
im nt forcing any 1
im showing the true image of islam u have to accpt or not
but u musnt forget muslims dnt live in tent or deserts as u think bc now im talkin with u in english
and try 2 go back for 200 years old
can u tell me whos the native people of america
indians or who then
and who killin the indians in us
as i told u im showing the true face of islam
i respect ur bleief and ur choice and no forcing in islam
u have ur choice to choose any faith and i respect that so much
i respect every1 here and im not forcing any 1
peace be with u
bc when the crusade was in jersualem they were killing the women and the kids and the old men
Saladin (1963) Part (1/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6LXbfZZ2JQ
so what about us troops who killed more than 1 million in iraq
and 4 miliions in vietnam
and amer troops whos rapin gal and killing her and her fam and burnin her fam too
wt about abu gharib jail and tortures for the muslims in it
The Crusade against Iraqi Muslims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTm72CB2VCs
what about bush and he said its another crusade againist muslims
what about us troops whos damagin mosques n chruchs in iraq
and about my being here
im nt forcing any 1
im showing the true image of islam u have to accpt or not
but u musnt forget muslims dnt live in tent or deserts as u think bc now im talkin with u in english
and try 2 go back for 200 years old
can u tell me whos the native people of america
indians or who then
and who killin the indians in us
as i told u im showing the true face of islam
i respect ur bleief and ur choice and no forcing in islam
u have ur choice to choose any faith and i respect that so much
i respect every1 here and im not forcing any 1
peace be with u
2009年7月8日 3:27Re: Re: Re: Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all
As per my original post, WHEN were the Crusades? Were they last year? Within the past decade or even the last CENTURY? NO! ! ! They were almost half a millennium ago and yet the "Peaceful" religion of Islam STILL carries the hatred of THOSE PEOPLE and uses it as an excuse to kill ANYONE who doesn't follow their SPECIFIC interpretation of the Qu'ran. You are going a loong way towards proving MY point that Islam NO LONGER is a religion of Peace and Tolerance, but instead has become one of INtoleralnce and Hatred towards all who disagree with it.
Goddess bless
Goddess bless
2009年7月8日 11:43Re: Re: Re: Re: Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all
Becks
24, 英國
james every religion n every where get good n bad its the life
and islam is nt wt u think
let me tell u im againist binladen or alkadia or any 1 who harm the innocent people
prophet of god peace be up on him forbid killing women and childerns)
and he was famous for his honesty with people of mecca who were non muslims
and he was so pure one and so caring so helpful
and he was givin his food to the poor and help the weak and visitin the patients once time there was jewish neighbour to the prophet muhammad peace be up on him and that one he was threw rubbish near the house of the prophet peace be up on him and it was hurting the prophet
and suddenly the jewish neighbour didnt threw the rubbish
and then the prophet peace be up on him asked about the jewish neighbour and he knew that hes ill the prophet peace be up on him went so fast to visit that jewish neighbour and asking him about wheres the rubbish so the jewish man said its nt human being manners its prophetic manners
and onece time the prophet peace be up on him found an old woman who holdin heavy stuff and he went to help her and to left her stuff and she said to him if u wil find or face muhammad dnt fellow him the prophet peace be up on him smile and he said hes muhammad
so its so kind and great manners of him
im not showin any hatred or any bad thing im here to share everything
peace be with u
and islam is nt wt u think
let me tell u im againist binladen or alkadia or any 1 who harm the innocent people
prophet of god peace be up on him forbid killing women and childerns)
and he was famous for his honesty with people of mecca who were non muslims
and he was so pure one and so caring so helpful
and he was givin his food to the poor and help the weak and visitin the patients once time there was jewish neighbour to the prophet muhammad peace be up on him and that one he was threw rubbish near the house of the prophet peace be up on him and it was hurting the prophet
and suddenly the jewish neighbour didnt threw the rubbish
and then the prophet peace be up on him asked about the jewish neighbour and he knew that hes ill the prophet peace be up on him went so fast to visit that jewish neighbour and asking him about wheres the rubbish so the jewish man said its nt human being manners its prophetic manners
and onece time the prophet peace be up on him found an old woman who holdin heavy stuff and he went to help her and to left her stuff and she said to him if u wil find or face muhammad dnt fellow him the prophet peace be up on him smile and he said hes muhammad
so its so kind and great manners of him
im not showin any hatred or any bad thing im here to share everything
peace be with u
2009年7月7日 12:34Re: Re: Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all
Becks
24, 英國
A Hijabi Murdered in Germany... Any Reaction?
Posted: Jul 5, 2009 2:56 PM
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http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1246346077533&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout
Dalia Shams was counting the days to welcome home her pregnant daughter, her husband and their four-year-old son.
Now, she will only get a closed casket with the body of her daughter Marwa al-Sherbini, who was stabbed to death by a German racist in a courtroom last week. "My daughter was pregnant in her third month," the heartbroken mother told Egypt's Al-Masri Al-Youm daily on Sunday, July 5.
"I never imagined she would be a victim of terrorism and we would see her pictures in the media." Sherbini, 32, was stabbed to death by a 28-year German of Russian origin, in a courtroom in the eastern city of Dresden on Wednesday. He stabbed her 18 times while her husband, who was preparing to discuss his Masters next month, was injured when he tried to intervene to protect her. He is still in hospital, recovering from stab wounds and an accidental police gunshot. Sherbini's body was expected to arrive in Cairo Sunday night, according to the Egyptian Embassy in Berlin.
Many believe Sherbini was killed because of her hijab, an obligatory code of dress that every Muslim woman must wear. "My sister was a martyr of hijab," Tareq al-Sherbini told Al-Doustour, an Egyptain opposition daily. He said his sister was harassed several times by the killer, who tried to remove her hijab by force.
The brother repeated accusations by Sherbini's husband for the German police of leniency in protecting her. Dresden prosecutor Christian Avenarius said the killer, who immigrated to Germany in 2003, harbored a deep hatred of and contempt for Muslims. "It was very clearly a xenophobic attack of a fanatical lone wolf."
My question here: Why don't the European media report this crime as an act of hatred against Muslims? or just because the criminal isn't a Muslim?
Why don't they consider the brutal crime as if it was against a Jew in Germany? Imagine the heavy coverage that we would have seen now! We saw the world gathered around the Iranian girl Neda Soltan and its photos filled the media around the world, why don't we see now the same buzz on Twitter... Isn't the crime extreme enough?
What does it take for the world to react to hate crimes against Muslims? Marwa, a wife and mother, the guy stabbed here 18 times, and shot her husband, still not thrilling enough?
Posted: Jul 5, 2009 2:56 PM
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Dalia Shams was counting the days to welcome home her pregnant daughter, her husband and their four-year-old son.
Now, she will only get a closed casket with the body of her daughter Marwa al-Sherbini, who was stabbed to death by a German racist in a courtroom last week. "My daughter was pregnant in her third month," the heartbroken mother told Egypt's Al-Masri Al-Youm daily on Sunday, July 5.
"I never imagined she would be a victim of terrorism and we would see her pictures in the media." Sherbini, 32, was stabbed to death by a 28-year German of Russian origin, in a courtroom in the eastern city of Dresden on Wednesday. He stabbed her 18 times while her husband, who was preparing to discuss his Masters next month, was injured when he tried to intervene to protect her. He is still in hospital, recovering from stab wounds and an accidental police gunshot. Sherbini's body was expected to arrive in Cairo Sunday night, according to the Egyptian Embassy in Berlin.
Many believe Sherbini was killed because of her hijab, an obligatory code of dress that every Muslim woman must wear. "My sister was a martyr of hijab," Tareq al-Sherbini told Al-Doustour, an Egyptain opposition daily. He said his sister was harassed several times by the killer, who tried to remove her hijab by force.
The brother repeated accusations by Sherbini's husband for the German police of leniency in protecting her. Dresden prosecutor Christian Avenarius said the killer, who immigrated to Germany in 2003, harbored a deep hatred of and contempt for Muslims. "It was very clearly a xenophobic attack of a fanatical lone wolf."
My question here: Why don't the European media report this crime as an act of hatred against Muslims? or just because the criminal isn't a Muslim?
Why don't they consider the brutal crime as if it was against a Jew in Germany? Imagine the heavy coverage that we would have seen now! We saw the world gathered around the Iranian girl Neda Soltan and its photos filled the media around the world, why don't we see now the same buzz on Twitter... Isn't the crime extreme enough?
What does it take for the world to react to hate crimes against Muslims? Marwa, a wife and mother, the guy stabbed here 18 times, and shot her husband, still not thrilling enough?
2009年7月8日 11:48Re: Re: Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all
Becks
24, 英國
james the media showin wrong image abut islam or muslims bc let me ask u sumthing
if u wnana to buy milk where u gonna to get it
from the pet store or from food store ?
as islam too
get the true info about islam from the direct source nt from anti islam websites or fake media
let me ask u sumthing bc of ur age u seem smart
did u ever meet any true muslim or u just make wrong image about them
james remember we r bro and sis in humanity and its nt main to be amer or to be arab or to be english or african or indian or yellow or anything
bc life is short
we need to cooperate with each 1 and to respect each 1
and the whole world can be more peaceful if all wars wil stop im againist wars
peace be with u
have good time
if u wnana to buy milk where u gonna to get it
from the pet store or from food store ?
as islam too
get the true info about islam from the direct source nt from anti islam websites or fake media
let me ask u sumthing bc of ur age u seem smart
did u ever meet any true muslim or u just make wrong image about them
james remember we r bro and sis in humanity and its nt main to be amer or to be arab or to be english or african or indian or yellow or anything
bc life is short
we need to cooperate with each 1 and to respect each 1
and the whole world can be more peaceful if all wars wil stop im againist wars
peace be with u
have good time
2009年7月8日 15:40Re: Re: Re: Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all
Arpheel
21, 美國
thats a good thing media accusations hahal olx.x.
very come trait in muslim world
let me put here some really good and devastating survey well i think where we eat and drink get our bread and butter we should pay some loyalty to it
2001 Survey
A Sunday Times survey taken in UK shortly after the 9/11 attack "revealed that 40% of British Muslims believe Osama bin Laden was right to attack the United States. About the same proportion think that British Muslims have a right to fight alongside the Taliban. A radio station serving London's Pakistani community conducted a poll which 98% of London Muslims under 45 said they would not fight for Britain, while 48% said they would fight for bin Laden." [119]
[edit] 2004 Survey
A 2004 Pew survey revealed that Osama bin Laden is viewed favorably by large percentages in Pakistan (65%), Jordan (55%) and Morocco (45%). In Turkey as many as 31% say that suicide attacks against Americans and other Westerners in Iraq are justifiable.[120][121]
[edit] 2005 Survey
A 2005 Pew Research study that involved 17,000 people in 17 countries showed support for terrorism was declining in the Muslim world along with a growing belief that Islamic extremism represents a threat to those countries.[122] A Daily Telegraph survey[123] showed that 6% of British Muslims fully supported the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground.
source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism#2009_Surveys_and_Polls
Did Muhammad Like Jews and Christians?
98: 1 Those who disbelieve from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and among Al-Mushrikun (polytheists) were not going to leave (their disbelief) until there came to them clear evidence.
98:6 Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Quran and Prophet Muhammad) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.
5:51 O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust).
58:19. Shaitan (Satan) has overtaken them (the Jews). So he has made them forget the remembrance of Allah. They are the party of Shaitan (Satan). Verily, it is the party of Shaitan (Satan) that will be the losers!
4:76 Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (Satan, etc.). So fight you against the friends of Shaitan (Satan); Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Shaitan (Satan).
4:35 So be not weak and ask not for peace (from the enemies of Islam), while you are having the upper hand. Allah is with you, and will never decrease the reward of your good deeds.
Christians and Jews do not hold any special place in Islamic theology. In the end, they were regarded with contempt by Muhammad, and presented in a hateful manner in the Quran today. Thus another reason to make war upon them (refer to 9:29). And when the Muslims have the upper hand, they are not to seek peace, but the continued destruction of their enemies.
Having trained the Arabs militarily, the Prophet laid down the following rules (as found on p. 188-189 of Ibn-E-Majah, Vol. 2) to conquer the world:
When you meet an enemy (infidels) give them three choices:
1/. Invite them to embrace Islam (which actually means acknowledging the Lordship of Muhammad).
2/. If they do not accept the proposal, then they must surrender and pay tribute, and
3/. if they reject both alternatives, then fight them mercilessly:
"It is not for any Prophet to have prisoners until he make wide slaughter...Eat what you have taken as booty; it is lawful and good." (The Spoils, 8: 65)
well what sort of freedom is this and is this the way Christianity has been preached throughout the world there is huge different btw the disciple of Jesus and disciple of Mohammad Jesus always sent his disciple with the social services to help those who are in any problem and disease
Matthew 10 but here we have different senireoa Mohammad is focusing on killing its clear from the above mention verse that Islam was indeed spread on the edge of sword
very come trait in muslim world
let me put here some really good and devastating survey well i think where we eat and drink get our bread and butter we should pay some loyalty to it
2001 Survey
A Sunday Times survey taken in UK shortly after the 9/11 attack "revealed that 40% of British Muslims believe Osama bin Laden was right to attack the United States. About the same proportion think that British Muslims have a right to fight alongside the Taliban. A radio station serving London's Pakistani community conducted a poll which 98% of London Muslims under 45 said they would not fight for Britain, while 48% said they would fight for bin Laden." [119]
[edit] 2004 Survey
A 2004 Pew survey revealed that Osama bin Laden is viewed favorably by large percentages in Pakistan (65%), Jordan (55%) and Morocco (45%). In Turkey as many as 31% say that suicide attacks against Americans and other Westerners in Iraq are justifiable.[120][121]
[edit] 2005 Survey
A 2005 Pew Research study that involved 17,000 people in 17 countries showed support for terrorism was declining in the Muslim world along with a growing belief that Islamic extremism represents a threat to those countries.[122] A Daily Telegraph survey[123] showed that 6% of British Muslims fully supported the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground.
source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism#2009_Surveys_and_Polls
Did Muhammad Like Jews and Christians?
98: 1 Those who disbelieve from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and among Al-Mushrikun (polytheists) were not going to leave (their disbelief) until there came to them clear evidence.
98:6 Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Quran and Prophet Muhammad) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.
5:51 O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust).
58:19. Shaitan (Satan) has overtaken them (the Jews). So he has made them forget the remembrance of Allah. They are the party of Shaitan (Satan). Verily, it is the party of Shaitan (Satan) that will be the losers!
4:76 Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (Satan, etc.). So fight you against the friends of Shaitan (Satan); Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Shaitan (Satan).
4:35 So be not weak and ask not for peace (from the enemies of Islam), while you are having the upper hand. Allah is with you, and will never decrease the reward of your good deeds.
Christians and Jews do not hold any special place in Islamic theology. In the end, they were regarded with contempt by Muhammad, and presented in a hateful manner in the Quran today. Thus another reason to make war upon them (refer to 9:29). And when the Muslims have the upper hand, they are not to seek peace, but the continued destruction of their enemies.
Having trained the Arabs militarily, the Prophet laid down the following rules (as found on p. 188-189 of Ibn-E-Majah, Vol. 2) to conquer the world:
When you meet an enemy (infidels) give them three choices:
1/. Invite them to embrace Islam (which actually means acknowledging the Lordship of Muhammad).
2/. If they do not accept the proposal, then they must surrender and pay tribute, and
3/. if they reject both alternatives, then fight them mercilessly:
"It is not for any Prophet to have prisoners until he make wide slaughter...Eat what you have taken as booty; it is lawful and good." (The Spoils, 8: 65)
well what sort of freedom is this and is this the way Christianity has been preached throughout the world there is huge different btw the disciple of Jesus and disciple of Mohammad Jesus always sent his disciple with the social services to help those who are in any problem and disease
Matthew 10 but here we have different senireoa Mohammad is focusing on killing its clear from the above mention verse that Islam was indeed spread on the edge of sword
2009年7月8日 22:39Re: Re: Re: Re: Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all
Becks
24, 英國
hey again arpheel so here u can check that
PARIS — A coalition of 350 European and Arab civil society organizations has filed a lawsuit with the International Criminal Court (ICC) against war crimes committed by the Israeli army during its latest onslaught on the Gaza Strip.
"The lawsuit is backed by all Palestinian political parties," Haitham Manaa, a coordinator for the International Coalition for Trying Israeli War Criminals, told IslamOnline.net.
He said the lawsuit, submitted to ICC Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo Friday, accuses Israel of committing war crimes and crimes against humanity during its 22-day military offensive against Gaza, a coastal enclave home to 1.6 million.
Established in 2002, the ICC prosecutes individuals for genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Israeli troops killed more than 1,350 Palestinians, half of them women and children, and injured 5,450 in air, sea and land attacks against the densely-populated strip.
* Palestinian Holocaust Museum
The massive bombardment has also wrecked havoc on Gaza's infrastructure, leaving thousands of homes, government buildings, schools, hospitals and even mosque in ruins.
Foreign and Arab doctors documented abnormal injuries suffered by the civilian population of Gaza, accusing Israel of using banned weapons.
Under international pressures, Israel admitted Saturday using white phosphorous, a chemical that burns away human flesh to the bone, in shelling Gaza.
Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have accused Israel of unlawful and discriminate attacks against Gaza civilians.
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has called for holding Israelis responsible for attacks on UN buildings in Gaza.
War Criminals
Manaa said the international coalition will ask the UN General Assembly to establish a war crimes tribunal to try Israeli officials.
"A lawsuit will also be filed in Switzerland regarding Israel's violations of the Fourth Geneva Convention."
In 2005, reserve Major-General Doron Almog, the former head of Israeli forces in Gaza, was warned not to leave an El Al aircraft that landed in London after a tip-off that British police were about to arrest him on war crimes charges.
A British Muslim group had won an arrest warrant against him for breaching the Fourth Geneva Convention in the demolition of Gaza homes in 2002.
Fearing similar legal action, Israel's military censor has banned the publication of the identity of the unit leaders who took part in the deadly blitz in Gaza.
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert also vowed on Sunday legal protection for Israeli troops against war crimes charges.
"The commanders and soldiers sent to Gaza need to know that they are completely safe from different tribunals and Israel will help and protect them."
Manaa said that the international coalition would also file lawsuits in European countries, whose legislation allow trial of war criminals.
"Lawsuits will also be filed against Israel in countries, whose property in Gaza have been destroyed such as Norway."
The coalition also plans a lawsuit in Belgian courts demanding the abolition of a European agreement to upgrade relations with Israel.
"The coalition is also mulling lawsuits against weapons firms providing Israel with arms."
PARIS — A coalition of 350 European and Arab civil society organizations has filed a lawsuit with the International Criminal Court (ICC) against war crimes committed by the Israeli army during its latest onslaught on the Gaza Strip.
"The lawsuit is backed by all Palestinian political parties," Haitham Manaa, a coordinator for the International Coalition for Trying Israeli War Criminals, told IslamOnline.net.
He said the lawsuit, submitted to ICC Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo Friday, accuses Israel of committing war crimes and crimes against humanity during its 22-day military offensive against Gaza, a coastal enclave home to 1.6 million.
Established in 2002, the ICC prosecutes individuals for genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Israeli troops killed more than 1,350 Palestinians, half of them women and children, and injured 5,450 in air, sea and land attacks against the densely-populated strip.
* Palestinian Holocaust Museum
The massive bombardment has also wrecked havoc on Gaza's infrastructure, leaving thousands of homes, government buildings, schools, hospitals and even mosque in ruins.
Foreign and Arab doctors documented abnormal injuries suffered by the civilian population of Gaza, accusing Israel of using banned weapons.
Under international pressures, Israel admitted Saturday using white phosphorous, a chemical that burns away human flesh to the bone, in shelling Gaza.
Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have accused Israel of unlawful and discriminate attacks against Gaza civilians.
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has called for holding Israelis responsible for attacks on UN buildings in Gaza.
War Criminals
Manaa said the international coalition will ask the UN General Assembly to establish a war crimes tribunal to try Israeli officials.
"A lawsuit will also be filed in Switzerland regarding Israel's violations of the Fourth Geneva Convention."
In 2005, reserve Major-General Doron Almog, the former head of Israeli forces in Gaza, was warned not to leave an El Al aircraft that landed in London after a tip-off that British police were about to arrest him on war crimes charges.
A British Muslim group had won an arrest warrant against him for breaching the Fourth Geneva Convention in the demolition of Gaza homes in 2002.
Fearing similar legal action, Israel's military censor has banned the publication of the identity of the unit leaders who took part in the deadly blitz in Gaza.
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert also vowed on Sunday legal protection for Israeli troops against war crimes charges.
"The commanders and soldiers sent to Gaza need to know that they are completely safe from different tribunals and Israel will help and protect them."
Manaa said that the international coalition would also file lawsuits in European countries, whose legislation allow trial of war criminals.
"Lawsuits will also be filed against Israel in countries, whose property in Gaza have been destroyed such as Norway."
The coalition also plans a lawsuit in Belgian courts demanding the abolition of a European agreement to upgrade relations with Israel.
"The coalition is also mulling lawsuits against weapons firms providing Israel with arms."
2009年7月13日 0:14Re: Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all
Becks, I am NOT saying that Islam was not founded on a basis of peace and religious tolerance, what I am saying and I believe Arpheel means is that the CURRENT perception of MUCH (not ALL by any means) of Islam is that it is a faith that promotes and SUPPORTS attacks on innocents. When you have Imams in a MAJOR Muslim nation like Iran saying that the Nation of Israel should be wiped from the map by any means, what else is an outsider to believe? I have read all three of the Holy Books descended from Judaism. For _ME_ no single one has "all the Answers", I respect that you have found a Faith that fills your needs, but PLEASE (and this is what started me on this) STOP proselytizing on this forum, since what I remember from the Qu'ran does NOT support proselytizing of the Faith, but rather STRONGLY prefers "leading by example". Hmm, I seem to recall something similar in an early translation of the Christian Bible as well...
2009年7月13日 0:23Re: Re: Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all
Becks
24, 英國
hey james again and h ru ?
well let me explain to u
iran is shittie
and im one who fellow prophet muhammad peace be up on him way sunni
and i told u b4 prophet muhammad peace be up on him forbid killing the women and childerns)
and why killing innocent without any reason
james fair is fair
and about imam in iran
let me tell u that israli priest say the same
anyway its nt the deal now
and james why killing people if they r nice n kind
james there is nothing can produce nothing
like if u r nice then u wil get same treating
like fair is fair
and james u see islam from sum people who dnt practise it good
james i wil say again to u
every religion there r good n bad every where too
james do u heard about ibn sina (avicenna
this one so famous doc and this man hes owner of the canon u can read abut it
and the muslims scientists gave so much to the world
so i respect u and let me say to u there r good amer n bad amer its the life james no 1 can change that
james u have two hands rit
all of them r nt like each 1 i mean the fingers
r tall n medium n small n soon
also people too
and greeting in islam is peace be with u
and god said in the quran
no compulsion in religion
and let me tell u sumthing read the quran and try 2 read tafsir al quran (quran explanation) and get the quran from true sources nt wrong
i think u get wt i mean
thnx u and peace be with u
well let me explain to u
iran is shittie
and im one who fellow prophet muhammad peace be up on him way sunni
and i told u b4 prophet muhammad peace be up on him forbid killing the women and childerns)
and why killing innocent without any reason
james fair is fair
and about imam in iran
let me tell u that israli priest say the same
anyway its nt the deal now
and james why killing people if they r nice n kind
james there is nothing can produce nothing
like if u r nice then u wil get same treating
like fair is fair
and james u see islam from sum people who dnt practise it good
james i wil say again to u
every religion there r good n bad every where too
james do u heard about ibn sina (avicenna
this one so famous doc and this man hes owner of the canon u can read abut it
and the muslims scientists gave so much to the world
so i respect u and let me say to u there r good amer n bad amer its the life james no 1 can change that
james u have two hands rit
all of them r nt like each 1 i mean the fingers
r tall n medium n small n soon
also people too
and greeting in islam is peace be with u
and god said in the quran
no compulsion in religion
and let me tell u sumthing read the quran and try 2 read tafsir al quran (quran explanation) and get the quran from true sources nt wrong
i think u get wt i mean
thnx u and peace be with u
2009年7月7日 3:37Re: Answering to topic islam is tolerance 4 all
The ONLY reason I'm ranting here is because YOU KEEP SPAMMING THIS GROUP WITH YOUR VERSION OF "The TRUTH"!
Form your OWN group here on Zorpia, name it "Islamic Users of MSN" or something, leave this one for those who are seeking more Earthly pleasures!