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2009年10月10日 11:54 God's calling (14 個評論)

baih0000

God's calling

When a man is called by God,

(a) he is still not perfect.

(b) it does not make him go beyond anybody.

(c) it does not mean he should be good to speak about God.


Anyone of you who has an opposite thought of these 3 answers above, please remove them. A man is called by God to know what his heart really desires personally. Again I say, "A man is called by God to know what his heart really desires personally". Every incoming matter that the heart accepts is planned by God. If God says the man can have a second option, then he may proceed without a trouble in his conscience. If God says there is no second option and his conscience accepts it firmly, he must obey without any choice.


We do not need to specify why there are times a second option is present or not present because without all of these, God is still with us. He still calls us. I do not say there is no God's calling for a man to speak about Him but an engineer or a lawyer can be God's calling. If you have read the story of Joseph, God's calling does not concern a near future.Of course everybody should expect their desires would come at anytime but when God had shown what Joseph desired was not a near future, he had to suffer his way to Egypt and he made it to see his dream came true, it is God who finalizes all promises made for us and it is not wrong if we continue to be hopeful for them. And who was Joseph? Did he choose to be a cup bearer? No. It was God who made him a cup bearer and when he could speak about God or about any vision, it was not his main job but God granted them. Though God gave him that vision, it was not his main job as a prophet.

2009年10月23日 6:6Re: God's calling

baih0000
oliver 25, 古晉, 馬來西亞
This is just to encourage you. If there is any Christian friend whom you feel is not himself or if there is any strong urge in you to alert him about his conscience, if he is willing to listen to you, take him to the church and let God scan him for problems through a priest whom you heard is born or given to heal. If the man does not have any problem but God speaks to him about His future, as long as he remains himself, he must listen. If he is made worse after the prayer or he cannot work like normal people, it is a good time to encourage him to be himself and let God lift him slowly. Encourage him not to blame God. If he is not willing to listen to you, do not mess with him. Don't involve your conscience to be ruined.

2009年10月23日 11:27Re: Re: God's calling

baih0000
oliver 25, 古晉, 馬來西亞
From my experience also, visiting a priest who is given or born to heal may NOT be the best answer for individuals (because of God). It is always good that God gave them the ability to scan you for problems or visions but it does not help you sufficiently to go into the root of the matter. Well it depends if God wants to let you know through the priest or not but the best approach for God to speak to the man is when the man be himself.

After my problem with my friend was settled, I don't want to know if God restricts him more or worsen him to manipulate himself because all I want to know is how my conscience is not ruined.

I just want to add something important. When Jesus stayed in lonely places outside of town, what was the people's thought when they searched for him?

1. They did not know him. They felt that they should not be paying attention about him but they should just mind themselves to be healed.

2. They did not expect that Jesus could do it (in a way) but they tried to seek healing. And while they did not believe that he could do it, they let him do what he wanted to do.


If you have a friend who is not as flexible as you and it is not easy for you to live with him because of limitations in his conscience, his heart is not opened to live more like normal people and he seems not to expose himself, the best for you to be patient is when you live completely with the two requirements above. Even though you can always show your gentleness or love for the goodness of your heart, don't experiment him but completely ignore him. Let him decide what he wants to do.

Do not be concern if he is a shadow behind or in front of you or someone else that they should mind themselves. After the people were healed by Jesus, what was in their thoughts? When Jesus could still not access the town, the people would rather remain silent and thank God in their heart. And this could still preserve God's plans through him until the right time came. If you feel comfortable living with your friend this way, remain silent and thank God in your heart.

2009年10月24日 0:56Re: Re: Re: God's calling

baih0000
oliver 25, 古晉, 馬來西亞
This is another example. After God dealt with Pharaoh, the people of Israel had no work. On their way back to Israel, they ate lesser than what they ate when they were hired but God said, "This is my desire for you". God promised them a land but they did not know that God gave them additional limitations to follow. God wanted them to be self content. A self content could bring a man closer to himself. If God did this to them and He said, "If this is what I do to you, it's up to me", they had to follow.

In the New Testament, even though all offering is converted into a man's conscience, the principle does not change. When a man is closer to himself, let the love or the inmost comfort in his heart direct him into the right way to live without affecting the principle.

2009年10月24日 8:14Re: Re: Re: Re: God's calling

baih0000
oliver 25, 古晉, 馬來西亞
When it was the right time for God's power to move about in the town through Jesus, surely:

1. Even though the people had heard about him for many days through the healed leper, without a proof, they should ignore about who Jesus was.

2. The healed leper seemed not to be convinced of his power as well.


It was right for Jesus to send the healed leper away at once because he felt he had to leave the town at once.

2009年10月24日 15:51Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: God's calling

baih0000
oliver 25, 古晉, 馬來西亞
Should you then ask, " Will it be very hard for those who be themselves to be hired into a job because of the difference between their sensitivity and their employer?"

When Joseph be himself as he followed where God led him to fulfill his dream, how did he stay faithful to work as a bodyguard? A bodyguard's job is not easy as sometimes it must entertain silly matters. The key to his open heart is because people ignored him and he remained humble. And when the Bible said he was a built young man, it was not about the figure itself that made Potiphar's wife loved him but because it was his desire to work as God desired him to do, then he was willing to dedicate himself for the job. So it made sense why Potiphar's wife loved him as a dedicated person. That was the reason why Potiphar entrusted Joseph to take care of his wife personally because of his dedication. And a good employee would rather hire a servant who gives the least of trouble to them to take care of something very precious. So was there any problem with Joseph? No.

It is only if the employer tested Joseph for anything that was NOT in his responsible or anything that did not come from the employer's desire to keep things simple, then it would be hard for Joseph to proceed on. For an example, a good employer shall understand the need of his employee according to the main responsible he requires him to do. If the employer did not keep Joseph closer to the main responsible and made Joseph be tested on silly matters, then it would be hard for Joseph to proceed on. However it was not Potiphar who did it but his wife. And there was nothing that Joseph could do because even if it was his wife, he ran away from his job entirely after he was accused for trying to rape Potiphar's wife. Joseph did not defend himself and he was put in prison. He did not argue to proceed on.

How did Joseph stay faithful to work as a cup bearer? A cup bearer may sometimes have to entertain silly matters. Again it was in God's right plans and God strengthened him just as when he worked with Potiphar. Secondly, if Pharaoh treated Joseph similarly as how Potiphar did (before the trouble), then Joseph could work longer with him.

Today's employer is different from yesterday's employer. Today's employer is like the next generation of Pharaoh (which is after the era of Joseph). If today's employer cannot satisfy the need of a man who be himself because he feels insecure and he keeps testing him, he cannot hire Joseph into his work. If all of the companies today are like this, Joseph cannot be hired by anyone. The best solution for Joseph is to wait for God to remove him from this earth.

2009年10月24日 17:5Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: God's calling

baih0000
oliver 25, 古晉, 馬來西亞
Another good point why Potiphar felt secure with Joseph was because when he did not mind very much about Joseph, he did not need to worry very much. His focus was to the main responsible. And all the things that Potiphar did was a success to him. Hiring a bodyguard for something very precious is not a low paid bodyguard. So Potiphar was a successful man. So because of this, his wife took an advantage on Joseph. Her husband did not feel suspicious on her as well. To speak about a good employer to the man who be himself (because God is with his employee), he does not need to worry about an additional security. A security should best focus on the employee's responsible.

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2009年10月25日 7:45Re: God's calling

baih0000
oliver 25, 古晉, 馬來西亞
"What about God's calling for employers? How did king David manage his responsible as a king because a king shall be more exposed in identity than a quiet servant and he will be not ignored easily?"

In the beginning, David was not appointed as king through public counts or votes. When it was God who appointed David as king through Samuel (prophet), God put His strength in him. This is the first indication that explains with God, any normal responsible in the strength of a man's heart can be done. Secondly, David was aware of his conscience. Many times the word "conscience" appeared in the book of Psalm.That means being aware of his conscience brought him closer to himself. Thirdly, even though a king should be responsible for one land, a king who followed the strength of his heart would let God's power to come to individuals in the land. And who knows it would fulfill His plans to help the individuals to go into the strength of their heart. David himself could not entertain many individuals in the land but because the land gave him the least of the problem, (in a way) they did not bother about him very much. Though he was greatly exposed, the land could live with him because God was also in its heart. Even though David seemed relax, he actually had compassion for the land (because it was his strength and responsible) and he followed God greatly to dedicate himself into his work for any trouble in the land. That was the reason why the Book of Psalm was written.

And again, today's employer is not the same as yesterday's employer. If you ask, "Can David reign in any country today?" This question you answer yourself. I do not need to know about David's personal life because all I want to know is how he managed his conscience as to remain peace with people. I am sure a king like an earlier Pharaoh or an employer like Potiphar had sufficiently shown a good example to his workmanship like Joseph. So it is the responsible that matters when a man is called by God for a mission.

2009年10月25日 7:54Re: Re: God's calling

baih0000
oliver 25, 古晉, 馬來西亞
If you ask, "If a man is NOT called by God as an employer uses other ways which is NOT David's but it has God's way to govern a country, will it be possible with God?" This question is also for individuals to answer. For me, if God does not appoint a king in a land, it's best to have no king in the land. If you obey God, you ought to follow your conscience. So what is there to worry?

2009年10月25日 9:9Re: Re: Re: God's calling

baih0000
oliver 25, 古晉, 馬來西亞
If a man is given a desire from God to work like normal people but God caused him to be uncertain for a period of time like Jesus who stayed in lonely places, he must remain uncertain until the right time comes. But this is NOT your responsible to know whether he will make it or not because you should COMPLETELY ignore him. I speak this for the right person. Just as Jesus waited until it was the right time for God's power to move into the town through him, whether there might be an intervention which was not in the mind of God while he waited, God would continue the intervention until the people accepted him lesser than a friend. The man or Jesus has the right to decide what he wants to do.

2009年10月25日 23:59Re: God's calling

baih0000
oliver 25, 古晉, 馬來西亞
It's better for people who be themselves cannot agree with me for other posts except this. It's alright if they have many reasons out of the inmost comfort in them but they do not ruin other people's conscience. Once they are themselves, they will obey the conditions in the second option.

Not all who are called by God will respond to His desire willingly. I have watched a clip in Youtube about a man who was thrown in hell. He was given or born to heal. Sometimes it seems impossible for a man like him to be thrown down there. If he was given such a good gift from God which his conscience told him he had to be himself (as to bring about the strength of his heart for what God had brought to him), why wasn't he in heaven? So God's desire for all of us is strict for only one thing, that is we should never manipulate ourselves as long as we live.

2009年10月26日 0:33Re: Re: God's calling

baih0000
oliver 25, 古晉, 馬來西亞
If you say you are called by God to manipulate yourself and you cannot agree with my words here, it's your freedom. If you say God will give you the strength to against His will for what you are, it is your freedom. My advice is if there is anything happen to you, do not blame God. If I feel comfortable when I tell the importance of being yourself in God's calling, what choice do I have?

For me, even though God brings an anointing to you or you feel a new level of emotion in you, God does NOT against His will in you. So if you do not be yourself to respond to His will, it is YOU who are against His will. It's up to God if He wants to anoint you with a new level of emotion and you have to be yourself all the time.

2009年10月26日 0:56Re: God's calling

baih0000
oliver 25, 古晉, 馬來西亞
That is all from me. I just want to see that all of us can unite in peace. Even if there is no guarantee to find a peaceful place for you in this world, just do your best to be yourself. Just do your best to follow the inmost comfort in you to find peace with God. Remember, God's calling is for a man to know His desire personally.

2009年10月26日 23:2Re: God's calling

baih0000
oliver 25, 古晉, 馬來西亞
Some of my posts are missing. Why not just remove all that is written here? If you cannot agree completely Jesus, Joseph and David's life, don't agree with it partially. Whoever did this, he is responsible for this group.

2009年10月27日 12:56Re: Re: God's calling

Archerael
Michael 25, 佩思, 西澳大利亞, 澳大利亞
My apologies Oliver- I was doing a cleanup of the forums concerning some Zorpians attacking people on here and some of your posts got caught up in it. Don't take it as me trying to silence you, you're free to post here.
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